liquid dubstep....THE FUTURE

protocolx · Post by **protocolx** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 5:31 pm

Scarecrow wrote:Sheezus man, you lot talk some shit dont you?
Who cares what you call it? Call it what you want......
Too many essays, too many people going on like they OWN dubstep, fix up, Attitude on this forum stinks sometimes.

whogivesashitstep?

EXACTLY ...

thats what i meant by this p;lce turning into doa. .

ozeb · Post by **ozeb** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:21 pm

ProtocolX wrote:thats what i meant by this p;lce turning into doa. .

Please. One thread every couple of months that gets heated and it's DOA?

This is one of the most well moderated boards I know of and the community here is totally supportive.

unknown soulja · Post by **unknown soulja** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:34 pm

Wiley said:
"what d'you call it garage? what do you call it urban? whatd'you call it 2 step? tell us what you call it then..."
just let the tunes speak for themselves eh?

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:00 pm

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:14 pm

C'mon Ben, you haven't had a record out, stfu

Don't know how many tunes are getting pressed up, but I get the feeling that it's probably in the just over a thousand presses for most dubstep releases. As such, I doubt there's gonna be much reason to split an already small (though growing) scene further.

All for new flavas coming through though, so the more styles the better. Would be wicked to hear all dubstep at a dance regardless of subgenre rather than fragmentation at this stage.

drum syndicate · Post by **drum syndicate** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:22 pm

Slothrop wrote:IMO it's not names that make for segregated subgenre ghettos, it's DJs who only play certain sorts of tunes, clubs who only book DJs who only play certain sorts of tune, punters who only go to clubs who only book DJs who only play certain sorts of tune. AFAIK, junglists didn't think "hey, some journalists / scenewatchers have defined jump up as a subgenre, we'd better start a night called AWOL to play it..."

couldn't have said it any better

crazydave · Post by **crazydave** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:46 pm

When I heard the word "intelligent" in the genre name IDM, I just understood it to mean "complex / experimental / harder to dance to".

But the journos who came up with it probably genuinely thought that it was the opposite of "stupid" dance music.

So yeah... loaded terms. Ditch it.

struggle · Post by **struggle** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:05 pm

gravious wrote:To be honest, if you keep making tunes as good as Hardfood and Mirage you can call them what you damn well please!

that's really all that needed to be said. c'mon, 13 pages?!

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:10 pm

gravious wrote:To be honest, if you keep making tunes as good as Hardfood and Mirage you can call them what you damn well please!

Innit... just don't expect everyone else to agree with ya.

dougd · Post by **dougd** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:25 pm

elgato wrote:
wikipedia wrote:Olivier Messiaen, who had a complex form of synesthesia in which chord structures produced synesthetic colors
fucking deep

this is a crazy thing, i was completely unaware that it existed! deep

Messiaen's music is pretty fucking intense, alot of it uses an early synthesizer from the 1920's which was powered by vacuum tubes (!!!!)

Check out his "Turangalila Symphony"...

Big up the librarystep masssssssif

scarecrow · Post by **scarecrow** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:39 pm

Ben Mate, you're determined to make me draw for an essay aintcha?

Nope, I don't think I own this music, I'm in it, so I make it, and I
don't feel justified with my opinion 'because i've had a record out',
(was that really neccessary mate?), see what I mean?

'Dubstep' as we know it was a subgenre of GARAGE (I know you
don't want to hear that, but it's true), which was ultimately a subgenre
of House/Electro which was a sub genre of something else etc...
do you see where I'm going with this?

I'm not saying call it Intelligent or Liquid or whatever, we don't
need more names for it, it's hard enough as it is, get me?
Subgenres exist already, they just haven't had some journo
twat try to claim it for him/herself by giving it/them a NAME.

(So who coined the term 'Breakstep' then? Hmm, I bet it wasn't
someone making it, I've been called that, when I actually
thought I was making Dubstep, so boy, I got every right to call
what I do whatever I want)

All I'm saying is: You can't fcuk with evolution mate, it's what
brought THIS music about, so don't deny it.

Anyways, this thread's played out mate, so I'm out, Just thought
I had to defend myself as a certain someone thinks I got some
kind of superiority complex because I've had a release, Sheesh,
cmon mate,
shallow man drown in shallow waters.

OUT..........

ufo over easy · Post by **ufo over easy** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 8:45 pm

Scarecrow wrote:Ben Mate, you're determined to make me draw for an essay aintcha?

I do like to talk sometimes

scarecrow wrote:'because i've had a record out',
(was that really neccessary mate?), see what I mean?

That bit was aimed at a few people, and was just the vibe I'd been getting from a few posts.. ("I've been in dubstep this long, before anyone knew about it, you're not a true follower etc..")

scarecrow wrote:'Dubstep' as we know it was a subgenre of GARAGE (I know you
don't want to hear that, but it's true), which was ultimately a subgenre
of House/Electro which was a sub genre of something else etc...
do you see where I'm going with this?

I'm not saying call it Intelligent or Liquid or whatever, we don't
need more names for it, it's hard enough as it is, get me?
Subgenres exist already, they just haven't had some journo
twat try to claim it for him/herself by giving it/them a NAME.

It sounds like we agree then man. All I'm opposed to is calling stuff liquid and intelligent, it doesn't bother me that there's loads of different evolving sounds. Makes sense that people will choose to go down different paths - I'm pretty picky about what I like as well.

I like garage too btw

scarecrow wrote:(So who coined the term 'Breakstep' then? Hmm, I bet it wasn't
someone making it

Innit. I said the same thing earlier in the thread. Best to leave that stuff to the journalists and let the producers get on with making their music.

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:13 pm

juliun_c90 · Post by **juliun_c90** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:23 pm

only really feeling the liquid sinodub these days (and even then only the stuff that leans towards the breaksteppier side of the liquid sinodub scene).

to be honest there's only me and 3 other people in the world into this particular niche at the moment, so i'm all for this argument. means i might have someone to talk to.

kion · Post by **kion** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:30 pm

Where's Simon Reynolds when you need him.

dougd · Post by **dougd** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:31 pm

I am my own scene. It's called Dougstep. Highly exclusive, especially the stuff that leans towards the breaksteppier side. Sometimes my cat wanders in when I'm making beats, so he becomes part of the dougstep massive by default, but to be honest apart from Fluffy and myself it's just above everyone else's heads I'm afraid.

parson · Post by **parson** » Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:31 pm

KION wrote:Where's Simon Reynolds when you need him.

careful i heard he's like beetlejuice...

u dub · Post by **u dub** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:18 pm

KION wrote:Where's Simon Reynolds when you need him.

Or David Toop, Christoph Cox, Rob Young for that matter...

planas · Post by **planas** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:18 pm

word ruckspin

spaceboy · Post by **spaceboy** » Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:48 pm

dunno bout you lot...haven't been following the drizzle on here...

but liquid sounds are sick...

just listen to makoto's podcast on itunes...

lovely beats.

not everything has to be dark and moody.

maybe its for an older crowd...

trust me it would sell for those producers out there...

nothing long

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