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cpt.pollution wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:

cpt.pollution wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote: Sites like these always need some new trendy thing to hate on. It was so easy for everybody around here to bash on Excision & Datsik until they actually showed up and turned out to be great guys and even helped out the local producers with their technical magic (which they are pioneers in). I find it both pathetic and hilarious people haven't learned by now how idiotic they sound when they bash on popular artists simply because they are popular, except they use childish arguments that are honestly laughable. "looks like mowgli" gave me a right chuckle. This dude can dress himself up like everything you guys hate but he's still able to make unique dance music and make a real impact with it, which is leagues more than any of you ripping on him like little girls in a sewing circle can say.

Except, no one actually bashed on Excision because hes an amazing producer.. Everyone bashed on Datsik

And i'm sure it purely had to with his obviously mediocre production skill. Even if that was the case it would still be a dumb reason.

Go digging in some older threads then and look for yourself instead of making assumptions..

lol k

he's actually talking about how skrillex isn't the sole source behind his own music, to which i said "pretty insightful"
i wasn't talking about smoking, drugs, or the way he looks as these are obviously not relevant to music

it was just as insightful as when i learned that goldie didn't do timeless all by his self

wonder why allnightdaydream read negativity in my post when all i said was "pretty insightful post tbh"?

weird

fractal wrote:wonder why allnightdaydream read negativity in my post when all i said was "pretty insightful post tbh"?

he gets mad when people are HATERZ to his boiz the brosteppahs. so he's pretty much mad at all times while reading this forum.

i was under the impression that he was a girl, based on avatar alone

did the same thing with shum as well... derp!

fractal wrote: wonder why allnightdaydream read negativity in my post when all i said was "pretty insightful post tbh"?

I wasn't calling you out or anything, I just used your post for my own purposes.

kingGhost wrote:he gets mad when people are HATERZ to his boiz the brosteppahs. so he's pretty much mad at all times while reading this forum.

AllNightDayDream wrote:

cpt.pollution wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote:

cpt.pollution wrote:

AllNightDayDream wrote: Sites like these always need some new trendy thing to hate on. It was so easy for everybody around here to bash on Excision & Datsik until they actually showed up and turned out to be great guys and even helped out the local producers with their technical magic (which they are pioneers in). I find it both pathetic and hilarious people haven't learned by now how idiotic they sound when they bash on popular artists simply because they are popular, except they use childish arguments that are honestly laughable. "looks like mowgli" gave me a right chuckle. This dude can dress himself up like everything you guys hate but he's still able to make unique dance music and make a real impact with it, which is leagues more than any of you ripping on him like little girls in a sewing circle can say.

Except, no one actually bashed on Excision because hes an amazing producer.. Everyone bashed on Datsik

And i'm sure it purely had to with his obviously mediocre production skill. Even if that was the case it would still be a dumb reason.

Go digging in some older threads then and look for yourself instead of making assumptions..

lol k

Or you could act ignorant, doesn't bother me

I mean yeah sure, he seems an alright guy? Anyone who accused him of 'selling out' would be an ijat. That doesn't mean he doesn't make shit tunes, and doesn't hold any responsibility for making dubstep a dirty world.

Anyone: What music do you listen to?
Me: Umm... British Bass music?

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This is his fault~

cpt.pollution wrote: Or you could act ignorant, doesn't bother me

Well there's not much of a point I can address when all you say is "go lurk more". Maybe if you gave an actual reason why datsik deserves the hate I could work with it. Pointing out the ridiculous amount of shit producers like datsik/excision get on here is hardly an assumption. You were here earlier than I so you should know this.

dat1 wrote:Anyone: What music do you listen to?
Me: Umm... British Bass music?

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dat1 wrote:I mean yeah sure, he seems an alright guy? Anyone who accused him of 'selling out' would be an ijat. That doesn't mean he doesn't make shit tunes, and doesn't hold any responsibility for making dubstep a dirty world.

Anyone: What music do you listen to?
Me: Umm... British Bass music?

^ ^ ^
This is his fault~

cleaver point

Lurker for 2+ years... finally registered to post this:


...All Skrillex fans should be made to watch that.

Also, to echo a sentiment from earlier in the thread: People don't hate Skrillex the person, they hate Skrillex the "artist" because his tunes aren't treading any new ground. It's the age-old story of that guy, who brilliantly decides to distill a new sound down to its most widely-appealing elements. It happens in every music scene, and it's always the beginning of the end... The process is just a lot faster now, thanks to the internet.

caribousteve wrote:Lurker for 2+ years... finally registered to post this:


...All Skrillex fans should be made to watch that.

Also, to echo a sentiment from earlier in the thread: People don't hate Skrillex the person, they hate Skrillex the "artist" because his tunes aren't treading any new ground. It's the age-old story of that guy, who brilliantly decides to distill a new sound down to its most widely-appealing elements. It happens in every music scene, and it's always the beginning of the end... The process is just a lot faster now, thanks to the internet.

All I see is musicians making music they enjoy, and people enjoying along with them. Whether you personally like it or not is irrelevant. I like pizza. Don’t like pizza? Don’t eat it. But don’t complain about me eating it or the shops that sell it.

Stiletto Feel wrote:
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Safe~
But also, to everyone who's like "It's just a matter of taste":
Kind of, but some taste is better than others

And secondly, it's not just a matter of disliking his music. Within a music scene what one artist does affects other artists, affects even the people in the scene who don't like that artist. All that shit wobble has fundamentally altered the dubstep scene. Part of the reason people seem to be talking at odds to each other is that the fans of skrillex aren't really even in a scene at all. Dubstep started as a tight knit London and Bristol ting. Eve when it wasn't just Big Apple Records, even around 2006/2007 when it was getting more popular, there was a sense of community, of purpose. For anyone who thinks that sounds pretentious, this is why you don't understand how attached people get to those things which are "just labels", these labels 'dubstep', 'jungle', 'garage' mean real things to people, the talk of a shared experience and a shared way of looking at music, a culture. Some people are purist dickheads who never want to like anything popular. Fuck 'em. It's a good thing when a scene grows. But it's only a good thing when the scene grows while still retaining it's 'sceneness'.

Brostep - people like Skrillex and Nero, are like an imperial power. Knowing nothing of dubstep's culture and roots, it colonized the whole thing, stole it's name, opened it up to globalization so that what was an exciting local London scene became this big stupid international internet thing. Dubstep's original inhabitants, forced off their island, are now stranded in the big, vaguely defined ocean that is post-dubstep.

So it's not just that Skrillex (and all the rest of them) make shit music. It's that Skrillex's shit music completely altered the scene of dubstep to the extent that most of dubstep's fans have had to jump ship.

[quote=“dat1”]Skrillex's shit music completely altered the scene of dubstep to the extent that most of dubstep's fans have had to jump ship.[/quote]

Jump ship in what way? I still buy Mount Kimbie & James Blake and Burial and Emika and Electronic Explorations podcast and and and and and… nobody’s got to stop listening to what they like or supporting their fav artists because of what other people are doing… that makes no sense...

Mount Kimby just made a post-dubstep semi post-rock album. James Blake released an album that was somewhere between pop, singer-songerwriter and dubstep. Burials latest 12" was mostly tracks at House tempo. I'm not saying that 140bmp dark dubstep is dead. It's still there, and there's still good shit coming out. Kryptic Mind's new album's heavy for example, there's that Objekt release etc.
What I'm saying is that 'dubstep' as it was known to people from 2003-2009, dark, dubby, half-steppin', stripped, is no longer the key creative force it was. I also mean that fans have jumped ship in terms of labling. I've seen nuff flyers advertizing "grime, garage, bassline, Bass music" or something along those lines. They might as well write "D******p" for how subtle it is. The word dubstep no longer connotes to the mass of people what it's original fans mean it as. I DO like dubstep, but I can't say I do unless I want people to start emailing me bate jump-up wobble. It's not just the word, but the music itself. Dubstep makes sense as a genre when you're got Coki, Mala and Skream making tunes under that label. You've got very different sounds and vibes with all their tunes, but anyone could see the connecting features.
Dubstep does not make sense as a genre to describe Burial, Joy Orbison, Girl Unit, Boddika, Julio Bashmore, Falty DL, Zomby, Jay Weed etc. The massive variety in current bass music is the direct response to the monotony of what 'dubstep' has become. Now, I'm enjoying the variety, there's a lot of amazing music coming out at the moment. But ask anyone who was around as dubstep was picking off whether it's more exciting now - with loads of really talented producers doing their own thing, defining themselves only /against/ wobble - or then, when it was more focused, but still varied and creative, and 10/10 people will say they'd rather have the old community vibez.

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Stiletto Feel wrote:
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Brostep - people like Skrillex and Nero, are like an imperial power. Knowing nothing of dubstep's culture and roots, it colonized the whole thing, stole it's name, opened it up to globalization so that what was an exciting local London scene became this big stupid international internet thing. Dubstep's original inhabitants, forced off their island, are now stranded in the big, vaguely defined ocean that is post-dubstep.

So it's not just that Skrillex (and all the rest of them) make shit music. It's that Skrillex's shit music completely altered the scene of dubstep to the extent that most of dubstep's fans have had to jump ship.

Wow... Nero should not be placed in that booth.

How is Nero not jumpup?

Also: http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/onl ... om_ep.html

Soooo... Bout time to lock this thread? The argument has looped four times so far... Any takers on #5?

skrillex sux0rz