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Post by tacospheros » Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:50 pm

slothrop wrote:I don't generally moan about it on forums because I know that's not very productive, but I can see why people who've been into dubstep for a while get pissed off about filth / brostep / wobble becoming synonymous with the scene.

Personally, I kind of found dubstep in the mid 00's, at a time when, apart from a few isolated pockets of resistance, the jungle / dnb scene seemed to have been completely taken over by formulaic big room friday night bangers and kill-ur-parents 'dark' stuff. Dubstep was a total breath of fresh air because it was musically radical and varied and constantly changing and because it was a very cool and relaxed scene - people standing by the speakers with a spliff in one hand and a red stripe in the other, eyes closed, getting deep to amazing music.

And I think a lot of people who got into dubstep at that time got into it because it had not too many arseholes and wasn't dominated by generic bangers - there were anthems and ruff heavy tunes but they didn't all sound the same.

And now it feels like a lot of the people getting into dubstep are turning it into exactly the sort of scene that we originally got into it to escape from. Which feels like it's taking the piss a bit. Like, it's not enough to just ignore the stuff that you don't like and go and find the stuff you do like, but you also have to accept that in a couple of years, the people who like the stuff that you don't like will come along and make the stuff that you do like just as bad as the stuff that you don't like.

Anyway, yeah, :i: and all that, I'm not expecting it to change or anything but I think that explains why some people are quite so hostile to wobble tunes...


THIS is a perfect summary of how i feel. i got tired of my jungle scene being completely saturated with either midrange tearout or kill your mother head banging shit. dubstep was a breath of fresh air, not just being new, but being creative and still gangster. dred bass. tension. heads on the floor. being there for the music, not just the scene.

it's a backlash against the sound being infiltrated by the same people who ruined dnb .
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Post by fractal » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:57 am

tacospheros wrote:
slothrop wrote:I don't generally moan about it on forums because I know that's not very productive, but I can see why people who've been into dubstep for a while get pissed off about filth / brostep / wobble becoming synonymous with the scene.

Personally, I kind of found dubstep in the mid 00's, at a time when, apart from a few isolated pockets of resistance, the jungle / dnb scene seemed to have been completely taken over by formulaic big room friday night bangers and kill-ur-parents 'dark' stuff. Dubstep was a total breath of fresh air because it was musically radical and varied and constantly changing and because it was a very cool and relaxed scene - people standing by the speakers with a spliff in one hand and a red stripe in the other, eyes closed, getting deep to amazing music.

And I think a lot of people who got into dubstep at that time got into it because it had not too many arseholes and wasn't dominated by generic bangers - there were anthems and ruff heavy tunes but they didn't all sound the same.

And now it feels like a lot of the people getting into dubstep are turning it into exactly the sort of scene that we originally got into it to escape from. Which feels like it's taking the piss a bit. Like, it's not enough to just ignore the stuff that you don't like and go and find the stuff you do like, but you also have to accept that in a couple of years, the people who like the stuff that you don't like will come along and make the stuff that you do like just as bad as the stuff that you don't like.

Anyway, yeah, :i: and all that, I'm not expecting it to change or anything but I think that explains why some people are quite so hostile to wobble tunes...


THIS is a perfect summary of how i feel. i got tired of my jungle scene being completely saturated with either midrange tearout or kill your mother head banging shit. dubstep was a breath of fresh air, not just being new, but being creative and still gangster. dred bass. tension. heads on the floor. being there for the music, not just the scene.

it's a backlash against the sound being infiltrated by the same people who ruined dnb .
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Post by my name is not billy » Tue Jan 11, 2011 3:19 pm

+3 wrote:Because the “deep” sound is the original Dubstep sound. People were passionate about it, because they had an emotional attachment to it. Not just the sound, but the entire experience--the scene--the culture.
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Post by dj $hy » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:42 pm

my name is not billy wrote:
+3 wrote:Because the “deep” sound is the original Dubstep sound. People were passionate about it, because they had an emotional attachment to it. Not just the sound, but the entire experience--the scene--the culture.
This!
But people who are into or make the "Hyped" stuff also have an emotional attachment! Me personally I have a massive attachment to Dubstep since it began! Been producing for 8 years now, just took a different route! I always supported the deep stuff, still do but for me and from a production stance I've taken that Coki, I guess wobble era and moved forward with that!

And you say deep is the OG sound, but wobble was just as OG to Dubstep, every deep producer has done wobble tunes but back then it was ok - its just turned into a bit of a monster now! I remember DMZ's being full of it, reloads on every tune, the whole place going wild!
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Post by zerbaman » Tue Jan 11, 2011 10:59 pm

badger wrote:classic hipster posturing on the internet about how what you listen to is better than anyone else's taste. personally i agree with most of the remarks but i'm not going to bother wasting my time telling people how much i dislike it
That's blatantly hypocritical...
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Post by fractal » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:10 pm

zerbaman wrote:
badger wrote:classic hipster posturing on the internet about how what you listen to is better than anyone else's taste. personally i agree with most of the remarks but i'm not going to bother wasting my time telling people how much i dislike it
That's blatantly hypocritical...
how so? i can dislike something extremely, but that doesn't mean I'm going to shove my opinion down someone else's throat just because i "have a right to an opinion" nor am I going to belittle someone else's style on a public forum... what badger is saying is that there is no point on being overly negative on a community forum, even if you do feel the same way as well...

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Post by tacospheros » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:11 pm

dj $hy wrote:
my name is not billy wrote:
+3 wrote:Because the “deep” sound is the original Dubstep sound. People were passionate about it, because they had an emotional attachment to it. Not just the sound, but the entire experience--the scene--the culture.
This!
But people who are into or make the "Hyped" stuff also have an emotional attachment! Me personally I have a massive attachment to Dubstep since it began! Been producing for 8 years now, just took a different route! I always supported the deep stuff, still do but for me and from a production stance I've taken that Coki, I guess wobble era and moved forward with that!

And you say deep is the OG sound, but wobble was just as OG to Dubstep, every deep producer has done wobble tunes but back then it was ok - its just turned into a bit of a monster now! I remember DMZ's being full of it, reloads on every tune, the whole place going wild!

this is a different topic i think. the "wobble" sound that people were so against early on has almost nothing to do with the midrange shit being peddled nowadays. even the early wobble days still had a little swing to it.

i would actually take wobble bass any day over the "hype" stuff that is prevalent nowadays. robotic growling brostep with no funk in the drums at all, that shit is barely even music
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Post by zerbaman » Tue Jan 11, 2011 11:28 pm

LA_Boxers wrote:Yeah you dont ever really hear of people who start of by hearing the more deep side of things suddenly switch over to the filth.
Question, where did the first brostep producers gain interest from?
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Post by Intended Malice » Wed Jan 12, 2011 12:31 am

I wanted to include this in my post in an attempt to reveal just how moot and trivial all this really is. So consider this the postscript that never was to address just 'Why do deep heads seem to hate on the hyped stuff so much?!' (An absurd comment to say the least.)


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Post by Kemist-Dub » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:04 am

brasco wrote:IMO i find 'deep' etc seems to be quality over quantity, whereas 'noise' is definitely quantity over quality.

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Post by dj $hy » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:49 pm

Intended Malice wrote:I wanted to include this in my post in an attempt to reveal just how moot and trivial all this really is. So consider this the postscript that never was to address just 'Why do deep heads seem to hate on the hyped stuff so much?!' (An absurd comment to say the least.)

Really? You read much on here cos the hate is all over the place?!

Excuse the words "Deep heads" & "Hype" If you started at the start of this post you will have read that I myself didnt want to put such a stupid thing down as to split the camp into two but for the point of this topic I had to! Personally I like it all, I'm just into Dubstep! Not real Dubstep, not OG dubstep just plain old Dubstep in all its glory, Hard, deep, tear out, wonky - all makes my head move!
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Post by nicenice » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:27 pm

There's alot of horrible "deep" dubstep masquerading as "future bass" & "uk bass music". I find this to be a lot worse. Bloody hipsters.

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Post by bagelator » Wed Jan 12, 2011 2:38 pm

mikey g wrote:
dj $hy wrote: Personally I've heard a lot of terrible Mala wannabes that have no idea about production other than opening up reason, laying a kick n snare down n a sub n some gay flute! Swings both ways!
made me laugh loads.

i want more tunes with gay flutes

what about all the tunes with straight flutes on them?

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Post by hellfire machina » Wed Jan 12, 2011 5:36 pm

tacospheros wrote:
slothrop wrote:I don't generally moan about it on forums because I know that's not very productive, but I can see why people who've been into dubstep for a while get pissed off about filth / brostep / wobble becoming synonymous with the scene.

Personally, I kind of found dubstep in the mid 00's, at a time when, apart from a few isolated pockets of resistance, the jungle / dnb scene seemed to have been completely taken over by formulaic big room friday night bangers and kill-ur-parents 'dark' stuff. Dubstep was a total breath of fresh air because it was musically radical and varied and constantly changing and because it was a very cool and relaxed scene - people standing by the speakers with a spliff in one hand and a red stripe in the other, eyes closed, getting deep to amazing music.

And I think a lot of people who got into dubstep at that time got into it because it had not too many arseholes and wasn't dominated by generic bangers - there were anthems and ruff heavy tunes but they didn't all sound the same.

And now it feels like a lot of the people getting into dubstep are turning it into exactly the sort of scene that we originally got into it to escape from. Which feels like it's taking the piss a bit. Like, it's not enough to just ignore the stuff that you don't like and go and find the stuff you do like, but you also have to accept that in a couple of years, the people who like the stuff that you don't like will come along and make the stuff that you do like just as bad as the stuff that you don't like.

Anyway, yeah, :i: and all that, I'm not expecting it to change or anything but I think that explains why some people are quite so hostile to wobble tunes...


THIS is a perfect summary of how i feel. i got tired of my jungle scene being completely saturated with either midrange tearout or kill your mother head banging shit. dubstep was a breath of fresh air, not just being new, but being creative and still gangster. dred bass. tension. heads on the floor. being there for the music, not just the scene.

it's a backlash against the sound being infiltrated by the same people who ruined dnb .

Nothing but love for you Jake but I have to heavily disagree. The jungle scene wasn't yours as you put it, and the scene wasn't ruined, your perception of what it should be in order for you to enjoy it was ruined, they are two very different things. Music changes and progresses, it's just how it is, moving in a new direction does not constitute the ruining of the music in that scene before it. To be honest that is a concept I have always found extremely bizarre.

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Post by bagelator » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:36 pm

hellfire machina wrote:.
you ruined breaks (just joking) :hugegrin:

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Post by dj $hy » Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:38 pm

bagelator wrote:
hellfire machina wrote:.
you ruined breaks (just joking) :hugegrin:
Funniest post in the thread! Yeah Jody nice work :P Blessings famalam!
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Post by Drop_Dead » Thu Jan 13, 2011 1:20 am

I just think its quite funny how a lot of producers are quoted as saying the reason they got into dubstep was because they were bored of house music, and now they're all djing house.

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Post by phrex » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:00 am

''people standing by the speakers with a spliff in one hand and a red stripe in the other, eyes closed, getting deep to amazing music.''

love this quote!
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Post by hellfire machina » Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:27 am

bagelator wrote:
hellfire machina wrote:.
you ruined breaks (just joking) :hugegrin:

Hahaha I guess I did for the people that were desperate to make it a sub genre of house, I can't take all the credit but I was firmly on the frontlines ;)

I guess you could say we helped ruin dubstep a longtime ago if you count the fact that Jamie Vex'd was an intern at our studio in the noisiest days of Mechanoise and went on to release some of the nastiest bass music tunes I've ever heard (LION VIP is in my top 10 of all time and that aint changing) and some could say influenced many of the so called midrange noise oh my god Mala/Kode 9 would not be happy artists that are enjoying a lot of success at the minute. I would also like to add that to me LION VIP is not noise, it's soul music in many ways. I am me and you are you that's the fun bit of all this no?

In my older years I do have to say that I produce,dj, listen to and enjoy a much wider variety of music in terms of evoking emotion than the early days of Mechanoise. I was in to a wide range back then but it was all hype or very out there so quite black and white, life in my early twenties is a different planet to my life now at 35 and my tastes and musical habits reflect that a lot. For the first time in my life my girl's taste in music is very similar and we turn each other on to a lot of artists we come across, I guess a better way of putting it is we share a musical experience within our relationship beyond the usual dynamic music has within one, which is a first for me.

Anyways, what shall we ruin next?


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