Illegally Downloading Music

[Cornbreadddd]

[wearecorsairs]

the truly underlying fact IS: the industry and some people are enforcing something that the majority don't want, which is to pay for digital music. if the option is there, why would you not just download it and save money. if you could download a car and a house, i guarantee none of you would say "no all those CEOs, workers, engineers need their money". id be the first to click that link.

totally agree mate
my bands EP will be free download, 100 limited vinyl run with all nice artwork and pullouts and shit
people who want a physical item to collect (thats what I do, collect albums and put them on my wall) can have it, those who wanna listen some tunes can do that too
do not see the problem

can't even believe i'm still posting in this thread, feels like my IQ is slowly sliding downwards (and that's bad cos i need all the help i can get)
like a moth to a flame

[garethom]

Funny that people are like "ooh I care too much about music to buy everything I want."
Why do people feel they're entitled to music? Someone else has put money and time into it and all you wanna do is download it and listen to it on your shitty ipod a couple times and forget about it. It's not just that you're not supporting the artist it's like you don't even give a fuck about it in general. How much do you guys just sit and listen to music?

That's a mighty broad brush you're painting with.

And we're the ones with the bad attitudes

Is it possible for you guys to make an argument without grossly generalizing, and committing straw man left and right?

It is possible for you to accept that some people just feel that people should get something back for giving us something that we enjoy and (some of us) cherish so much.

Wolf, Brasco, Fractal and everybody else that's anti-piracy, let's face it, we're probably part of a dying breed. When some people can find shitloads of money for other stuff, and then say they can't afford less than the price of a pint for a digital EP, I can't see us winning. I guess the people that download music have seen all of the artists play live, bought all their merchandise, etc. etc. but they can't afford 99p for a download. They'll "support" the artists in other ways than we do.

There's just a whole generation now that expect music to be available for free, even to the point that people arrive at my blog/net label by searching for "xxxxyyyy mediafire/rapidshare" when it's name-your-price. That's the attitude now, that even when stuff is available for free, it's hard-coded in a lot of people to search for pirated without even checking first.

But as I said, those people are apparently packing out every concert, going to every night that those people play, so when questioned, they can say they support the artist.

[dmisreal]

i use to use youtube to mp3 ALOT but now i buy every thing mainly to support the artist and to get quality mp3s or wavs for playing sets live

[AllNightDayDream]

That's what I'm talking about. I never said nor would I ever advocate that people never give back to the artists they like. That's straw man. That's not an attitude I condone. You're stereotyping anyone who is pro-piracy as someone who thinks just that, and that's what's so wrong with the anti-piracy side. They can't accept the idea that someone can pirate music and still support their artists. As I've posted many times in these discussions, the data suggests that piracy is turning more people onto music, putting more money into small artists' pocket, and increasing the artists share of their earnings against their labels.

People pirate things they aren't sure about and purchase things they are sure about. It's a quality control issue. People here want to brag about how they bought some CD 15 years ago and they still listen to it, but how many CDs have you bought, listened to a couple times, and then left on your shelf to gather dust till you scope it again years later, just to remind yourself why you stopped listening to it? How much money have you wasted purchasing music that was mediocre at best? or terribly disposable? How many times did you go to the store to grab a release people have been hyping you about, or you were curious for, only to deeply regret that decision an hour later at your house? We all have different buying habits, but piracy, along with streaming via youtube, spotify, etc. can perfect and give your buying habits precision and put your money towards the people you feel deserve it above the rest.

I've posted data that exposes on an aggregate scale how piracy has been affecting the market: People realize the mainstream pop garbage isn't worth the money, and small time struggling artists with unique sounds deserve more. You don't even have to read the studies, look at the sales data. 40% increase in electronic music sales in just one year! and almost that much an increase in vinyl! This multiplies in effect when you take into account live shows. You want to complain how the new generation just doesn't respect whatever blah blah blah, you guys have been repeating the same things in every thread, putting your fingers in your ears going "lalalalala" when someone tries to dispute your emotionally charged argument, calling us "disgusting" for even entertaining the thought. If i'm a part of the generation that looks for what's best for the underground artists, so be it. I don't take anything at face value, nothing is as shallow as "it's wrong, end of". That's the difference between you and me.

[seckle]

i challenge you to find any rare dance music left on the planet right now that you can't hear a clip of or sample on youtube/itunes/amazon/surus, or any of the other stores, before even going to torrents or the net in general to pirate it.

that's one part of the pro-piracy argument thats just void. 5 years ago, i would say it had some grounds, but now...no way. there's absolutely no grounds left to stand on in terms of not being able to sample/hear music you really want to check out first, before buying.

[didi]

i challenge you to find any rare dance music left on the planet right now that you can't hear a clip of or sample on youtube/itunes/amazon/surus, or any of the other stores, before even going to torrents or the net in the general to pirate it.

that's one part of the pro-piracy argument thats just void. 5 years ago, i would say it had some grounds, but now...no way. there's absolutely no grounds left to stand on in terms of not being able to sample/hear music you really want to check out first, before buying.

This. People don't have the right to free music, if they can't afford it. Just as I don't have a right to a free car that I can't pay for. Why should music be different. Someone's put a lot of effort into creating a track.

Piracy is fundamentally wrong, and you can't reasonably argue otherwise.

that said, I have pirated some vinyl only's recently, and a few years ago I used to pirate a lot. So I don't really have a leg to stand on.

[fractal]

fair point!

all nightneeds to see the difference between calling an attitude disgusting and calling a person disgusting. stop taking things so personal. seems you are surprised people in music are passionate about this subject. can we not agree to disagree or will you not be happy until we respond in the exact manner you are fishing for? circles forever yeeeee

[brasco]

fair point!

all nightneeds to see the difference between calling an attitude disgusting and calling a person disgusting. stop taking things so personal. seems you are surprised people in music are passionate about this subject. can we not agree to disagree or will you not be happy until we respond in the exact manner you are fishing for? circles forever yeeeee

i am waiting for another graph cnt wait

[garethom]

People pirate things they aren't sure about and purchase things they are sure about. It's a quality control issue.

I bet this a miniscule percentage of people. How many people pirate something that "they aren't sure about" (even though near enough every site has like, 2 minute previews of every track now), then buy it if they like? I'd wager not a fucking lot of them.

[AllNightDayDream]

fair point!

all nightneeds to see the difference between calling an attitude disgusting and calling a person disgusting. stop taking things so personal. seems you are surprised people in music are passionate about this subject. can we not agree to disagree or will you not be happy until we respond in the exact manner you are fishing for? circles forever yeeeee

What attitude is disgusting? That i'd rather pay for music I know I will enjoy? That I love seeing my favorite artists get free promo and ultimately get rewarded from it?

Of course we are all passionate, I am deeply passionate about it. Just judging from my experiences in this thread and similar ones I can guarantee you I've spent much more time researching this topic than you have, and anyone who thinks you "can't reasonably argue" that piracy isn't fundamentally wrong. Not supporting your artists is fundamentally wrong. But the two are not synonymous.

[AllNightDayDream]

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[AllNightDayDream]

People pirate things they aren't sure about and purchase things they are sure about. It's a quality control issue.

I bet this a miniscule percentage of people. How many people pirate something that "they aren't sure about" (even though near enough every site has like, 2 minute previews of every track now), then buy it if they like? I'd wager not a fucking lot of them.

Plenty of posts in this thread would disagree with you.

[brasco]

@Allnight.. so who are some of the artists on here you have pirated 'for quality control purposes' or whatever you feel is acceptable?

being justified you could maybe list a few head held high?

[fractal]

People pirate things they aren't sure about and purchase things they are sure about. It's a quality control issue.

I bet this a miniscule percentage of people. How many people pirate something that "they aren't sure about" (even though near enough every site has like, 2 minute previews of every track now), then buy it if they like? I'd wager not a fucking lot of them.

Plenty of posts in this thread would disagree with you.

and i could post a million times about having a pony, but it doesn't make it true. if you really believe that a majority of people who download music illegally take the time and money to purchase the music they already own just because they like it, you are delusional. sure there might be a few who do this, but only those you would find on a music message board, as they are already nerding out to music. to pretend like this is the case across the board is crazy talk and you know it.

[Pedro Sánchez]

and i could post a million times about having a pony.

I imagine you on a pony every time I see you post fractal.

[fractal]

what color is it?

[Pedro Sánchez]

what color is it?

what colour do you think?

[fractal]

invisible, but really tall i reckon

[garethom]

People pirate things they aren't sure about and purchase things they are sure about. It's a quality control issue.

I bet this a miniscule percentage of people. How many people pirate something that "they aren't sure about" (even though near enough every site has like, 2 minute previews of every track now), then buy it if they like? I'd wager not a fucking lot of them.

Plenty of posts in this thread would disagree with you.

and i could post a million times about having a pony, but it doesn't make it true. if you really believe that a majority of people who download music illegally take the time and money to purchase the music they already own just because they like it, you are delusional. sure there might be a few who do this, but only those you would find on a music message board, as they are already nerding out to music. to pretend like this is the case across the board is crazy talk and you know it.