serious discussion about casual racism in europe

[butter_man]

Whiteys best! I grew up in a 99% white area and the only view of other races is either from the red tops or banter down the pub. How else im a supposed to feel 'brrrappin' everything and shootin everythin. Its not right i tell ya. We used to be a proud nation now theres everyone in hoodies and mass unemployment, immigrants are involved. This seems to be a race issue cos it wasnt like this when mosta uk was white. Churchill!

[hugh]

thats literally the worst trolling I have ever seen.

[butter_man]

thats literally the worst trolling I have ever seen.

is this a good thing?

Edit/ am from a mostly white place and that mentality is quite common amongst a certain type of male.

[Genevieve]

Y'all know we got Sinterklaas, right? It's the guy that Santa Clause was based on. It was christianity's attempt to appropriate a pagan holiday (Yule) and inject it woth some christianity by interpolating Odin (who was celebrated with Yule) with Saint Nicholas.

Anyway, just like Odin had 2 crows as helpers, Sinterklaas has an army of flamboyant servants wearing black face called Zwarte Piet (black Pete). The whole shebang... big red lips, black make-up covering their faces, a big ol' afro wig. You know.

And they all work for the dude, Sinterklaas.

There's a Dutch Facebook page called 'Zwarte Piet is Racist' and it's only got about 3000 likes while it's flooded with stupid Dutch people (who def represent the majority) who think that 'THIS IS TRADITION, NUTTIN RACIST 'BOUT IT, N IF U DONT LIKE IT THEN U CAN JUST GIT OUT'.

sigh >.>

I don't care, though. Let people celebrate it with their little blackface wearing nincompoop. But how they can even justify it to be anything but racism. Really says somethng about how people think out here.

[joeki]

what were we thinking people of the lowlands (apparently Spain celebrates it too?)

[garethom]

Whatevs your opinion on that is, can we have some views on "blacking up" for fancy dress.

Here was my scenario: Last year had a fancy dress party with a musical theme. I wanted to go as Dr. Dre cos one of my mates was going as Eminem. I'm white, so I gotta be honest, it wouldn't have looked very impressive, as I didn't "black up". I wanted to look as much like Dr. Dre as possible who is probs one of my fave artists ever, but I've no doubt it would be construed as racist.

Why?

[Forum]

Whatevs your opinion on that is, can we have some views on "blacking up" for fancy dress.

Here was my scenario: Last year had a fancy dress party with a musical theme. I wanted to go as Dr. Dre cos one of my mates was going as Eminem. I'm white, so I gotta be honest, it wouldn't have looked very impressive, as I didn't "black up". I wanted to look as much like Dr. Dre as possible who is probs one of my fave artists ever, but I've no doubt it would be construed as racist.

Why?

No one would know you were supposed to be Dre, you'd just look like you were taking the piss

Unless you had that mask thing from the adverts...

[Genevieve]

Yeah, should've just cut out Dr. Dre's face, puncture some holes in his eyes/mouth and wear it as a mask

[butter_man]

Whatevs your opinion on that is, can we have some views on "blacking up" for fancy dress.

Here was my scenario: Last year had a fancy dress party with a musical theme. I wanted to go as Dr. Dre cos one of my mates was going as Eminem. I'm white, so I gotta be honest, it wouldn't have looked very impressive, as I didn't "black up". I wanted to look as much like Dr. Dre as possible who is probs one of my fave artists ever, but I've no doubt it would be construed as racist.

Why?

we ainted my mates in brown shoe polish once. Not being racist tho, just boredom i guess. Seeing him trying to wash it off was one of the funniest moments ever. Does this make me/my associates bigots? I assure you no the intent was pure.

[garethom]

Yeah, should've just cut out Dr. Dre's face, puncture some holes in his eyes/mouth and wear it as a mask

Doesn't really look like I'm being him though, looks like a lazy tnuc cut out a picture and stuck it on his face.

No one would know you were supposed to be Dre, you'd just look like you were taking the piss

Unless you had that mask thing from the adverts...

I was planning on wearing a "The Chronic" t-shirt and wearing my mate's beats by dre. People know I seriously like Dre. They'd know who I was.

Either way, I wasn't asking for suggestions on what I could've wore, I'm just wondering why it's construed as racist when I would've trying to look as much like somebody I admire. What is STILL so special in this day and age of widespread rejection of racism about skin colour that I can dress exactly like somebody else, but not try and emulate that?

Probably won't get a serious answer, so whatevs, fuk u's.

[Forum]

I think it's more that you only ever see people black up when they either genuinely are being racist or trying to be funny.
honestly don't know how people would react if it was a serious attempt at fancy dress

[Perej]

Yeah, should've just cut out Dr. Dre's face, puncture some holes in his eyes/mouth and wear it as a mask

Doesn't really look like I'm being him though, looks like a lazy tnuc cut out a picture and stuck it on his face.

No one would know you were supposed to be Dre, you'd just look like you were taking the piss

Unless you had that mask thing from the adverts...

I was planning on wearing a "The Chronic" t-shirt and wearing my mate's beats by dre. People know I seriously like Dre. They'd know who I was.

Either way, I wasn't asking for suggestions on what I could've wore, I'm just wondering why it's construed as racist when I would've trying to look as much like somebody I admire. What is STILL so special in this day and age of widespread rejection of racism about skin colour that I can dress exactly like somebody else, but not try and emulate that?

Probably won't get a serious answer, so whatevs, fuk u's.

Cos in the UK everyone's mental about Political correctness. We are so repressed because if you talk openly about it you are immediately called a bigot and evil and a racist and whatever other name under the sun. Tends not to work the other way around though.

[kidshuffle]

imo its just not a good costume

[Forum]

Not sure dre is distictive enough looking for it to work, someone like Don king maybe..

[garethom]

imo its just not a good costume

That's not really what I asked is it though.

Whatever. Southstar's right here, I guess.

I think it's more that you only ever see people black up when they either genuinely are being racist or trying to be funny.
honestly don't know how people would react if it was a serious attempt at fancy dress

Should probably point out that I have a friend who is a professional make up artist for stage shows and I think some TV shows, this wasn't gonna be a standard boot polish and big red lips job.

[zerbaman]

Garethom, dunno if it means very much to you, but with regard to the racial cross-dressing thing on Halloween in year 4 I went as Harry potter and the white girls circled me and told me I wasn't allowed to do it because I'm black.

Deep down inside, I reckon that's why I hate Harry Potter these days.

[garethom]

Garethom, dunno if it means very much to you, but with regard to the racial cross-dressing thing on Halloween in year 4 I went as Harry potter and the white girls circled me and told me I wasn't allowed to do it because I'm black.

Deep down inside, I reckon that's why I hate Harry Potter these days.

To me, just seems like another sort of separation or border between races.

[Pedro Sánchez]

BBC licence.

[kidshuffle]

imo its just not a good costume

That's not really what I asked is it though.

i wouldn't call you racist for doing it, not in the slightest...but its just one of those "whats the point?" situations. its not really funny or clever, and i think that is where the "issue" is. paul mooney said it best when he ripped on michael richards, and that was that racial humor is great when its actually funny.

my friend went out as this chappelle show character this year, and THAT is funny.

[zerbaman]

You missed it. He doesn't want to be Dre for the lolz. He wants to pay homage to the man.

It's not racist at all in my opinion G.