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rip jb

I didn't really like all that singing but RIP.

Soiree wrote:yeah, footwork totally only influenced a couple thousand people.

Yep. It did. It directly affected a couple of thousand people and it influenced a couple of thousand more (big difference). Many kids dancing to footwork influenced tunes outside of Chicago don't even know what footwork means, to them, it effectively doesn't even exist. At this point, even breakcore affected and influenced more; Venetian Snares has almost 10 times as many listeners as DJ Rashad on Last.FM and twice as many likes on Facebook. Both have been releasing records since the same time (both in 98, though Snares didn't have an official release until 99) and Snares too probably didn't greatly affected more than 100 thousand people.

Soiree wrote:even if that statement were true, we didn't loose a pawn, or a knight, or a bishop, or a rook.

we lost the king man!

Nah, your king. Many would argue RP Boo was the king and Rashad just the most popular export. Either is debetable, but that's the point.

Soiree wrote:and given my personal affinity for his music and influence in urban underground culture.
I see where I would be overly sensitive about loosing one of my favorite producers.
it's devastating, it's a loss to everyone who has any appreciation for a grassroots sound.

and if one of my friends was all, james blake just died, I definitely wouldn't respond with, "Yeah, Sux, I'm not really the biggest fan of his music."

it's not patronizing to be compassionate.

It's patronizing to pretend to be as affected by it to make someone feel good. People often want to comfort others with genuine emotion, not pretending. They would feel uncomfortable pretending to be devastated by it, which is why they're saying that they're not that into him. Because they don't feel like they can give you the comfort you deserve and feel like it's unfair to you to pretend.

it's petty to argue RP vs. Rashad, (i take u for the insensitive type)
sorry, but that's just a really stupid thing to say! and it's def. not the point!
thou one is the Godfather and the other is the King. and would it matter which is which anyway?
i also acknowledge your statement about loosing the underground 2pac, i agree.

and all the statistics in the world about affecting people, let's say for the sake of analytical argument you are right... what the fuck does that even mean? more people streamed it free on the internet? more people liked it on facebook? ...cool? if that's how you rate things, fine.

it's not a numbers game! when an artist can change the trajectory of a community, especially an urban community. Influence and inspire many people's life in a positive way, actually provide a new soundtrack to a new dance style, that's real affect, that's direct action, that's true pioneering innovation. DJ Rashad and the Tek-Life gang would host all ages dance battles every Sunday in an old daycare center for Chicago to come together and express unity and an affinity for the footwork sound and culture, and they would host these events for free. >>> http://vimeo.com/23250949 <<<

When I heard the news, heart-broken, puzzled, confused, upset. I blasted "let it go" and dropped to my knees screaming and pleading with the unknown that there was some kind of mistake.

Gen, how did you react when you found out the news?

I see what your saying about people not having the sort of empathy I seek in this situation, there's actually a lot more to this story than anyone else realizes, details aside, i feel a very personal sense of shame and guilt, Many of those Hyperdub tunes have a remarkable significant meaning to me, and i guess it's unfair for me to have the expectation for those songs to have the same meaning to anyone else.

R.I.P Rashad

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Soiree wrote:it's petty to argue RP vs. Rashad, (i take u for the insensitive type)
sorry, but that's just a really stupid thing to say! and it's def. not the point!
thou one is the Godfather and the other is the King. and would it matter which is which anyway?
i also acknowledge your statement about loosing the underground 2pac, i agree.

It's not about being petty or insensitive, it's about perspective. You crowned him the king, someone else might not do that. I didn't argue for or against anyone being the king of footwork, it's not on my radar. I'm just saying that your subjective experience of DJ Rashad isn't inherent.

Soiree wrote:and all the statistics in the world about affecting people, let's say for the sake of analytical argument you are right... what the fuck does that even mean? more people streamed it free on the internet? more people liked it on facebook? ...cool? if that's how you rate things, fine.

I didn't measure affect through 'likes' or 'how many people listen to it' (which is what lastfm indicates). But I did gauge how large the audience is and an audience of fans is affected by a musician per definition.

Soiree wrote:it's not a numbers game! when an artist can change the trajectory of a community, especially an urban community. Influence and inspire many people's life in a positive way, actually provide a new soundtrack to a new dance style, that's real affect, that's direct action, that's true pioneering innovation. DJ Rashad and the Tek-Life gang would host all ages dance battles every Sunday in an old daycare center for Chicago to come together and express unity and an affinity for the footwork sound and culture, and they would host these events for free. >>> http://vimeo.com/23250949 <<<

If you don't think it's a numbers game, then you shouldn't argue against me when I say that footwork only affects a couple of thousand (a number) people at most, and imply that he affected more people than that.

I'm not denying that he hasn't done great things for his community (which is why I said that half of all footwork fans are in Chicago), but that's still just a tiny fraction of people on a global scale. So most people you will meet simply aren't affected by the scene or Rashad.

You can't measure how 'real' affect is.

Soiree wrote:When I heard the news, heart-broken, puzzled, confused, upset. I blasted "let it go" and dropped to my knees screaming and pleading with the unknown that there was some kind of mistake.

Gen, how did you react when you found out the news?

I was confused and shocked and trying to get my head around the fact that I won't hear any new tunes from him, since he was improving so much. I thought it was a real shame. I did listen to quite a lot of Rashad the days after. It affected me, but I think I deal with emotions a bit differently than you do. So I think it's an apples/oranges thing.

Soiree wrote:I see what your saying about people not having the sort of empathy I seek in this situation, there's actually a lot more to this story than anyone else realizes, details aside, i feel a very personal sense of shame and guilt, Many of those Hyperdub tunes have a remarkably significant meaning to me, and i guess it's unfair for me to have the expectation for those songs to have the same meaning to anyone else.

That's pretty much it yeah. I think you were projecting. I'm bothered by DJ Rashad's death as well, but I'm not expecting Joe Blow on the streets to feel about it the same way. I think that if you're still bothered by it, you should just reflect with a likeminded person about it.

Soiree wrote:R.I.P Rashad

Yep, R.I.P.

IDK, I've been re-reading your post too many times to even respond with any sort of balanced mind.
there's a couple things in there I feel misunderstood by, but this thread isn't the time or place for an argument.

DJ Rashad was the first american to be signed to Hyperdub, That's a really fucking big deal. Who knows if that's ever going to happen again. It bridged the gap between the ever evolving linage of the UK and opened new possibilities for the dynamic-sample-screwed-frenzied-footwork of urban underground Chicago. Kode9 and Planet Mu put Ghetto-Tek on a world wide platform and crossed barriers and boundaries, and the linage between Ghetto-House, Juke and Footwork is 20 years in the making. The influence of footwork is worldwide, and the affect is unquantifiable.

Soiree wrote:DJ Rashad was the first american to be signed to Hyperdub, That's a really fucking big deal.

Nah. Samiyam and later Laurel Halo. And Cardopusher (if South America counts). All before Rashad. FlyLo had a tune on the '5 Years of Hyperdub' comp.

It was gonna happen eventually, Someone was gonna be the first American on the label from day one. There were people all over the world signed to it already (LV, 2000F & J Kamata).

Soiree wrote:t bridged the gap between the ever evolving linage of the UK and opened new possibilities for the dynamic-sample-screwed-frenzied-footwork of urban underground Chicago. Kode9 and Planet Mu put Ghetto-Tek on a world wide platform and crossed barriers and boundaries, and the linage between Ghetto-House, Juke and Footwork is 20 years in the making.

The importance of which is completely subjective.

If you argue RP Boo is the king youre wrong

today i felt asleep listening to ray´s tribute and it was really fucking good plus later in the night i dreamed with rashad

ahh, that's right, i forgot about those guys, laurel halo (who I've seen live) escaped me.
you're knowledgeable, I'll give you that.

sort of disenchanted with this conversation.
I'm completely aware of the "subjectivity" of everything and how it affects people in varying ways.
anyone could say that about anything, seriously. so what difference does that make?
you could (i invite u too) just as easily look at this sub-culturaly.
because ultimately that's where it gives the most power to it's affected audience.
it's not a popularity contest. the influence isn't measured by how many listeners,
he pioneered and contributed in developing a unique genre, ghetto-tek.
you have to consider the ripple effect here,
what may be considered a niche genre now,
has national, to multi-national, to world wide implications,
and that drop, the shot heard round the world, he will forever be one the greatest at what he did.
also tend to gravitate towards the people that invent their own sound,
rather than exploiting what's trendy at the moment (insert "trap" here)
for how much time he's spent in the past decade making fantastic and exclusive signature sounds.
Rashad's (foot)work is instantly identifiable and indisputably his own, unrivaled production.
and he is a fearless DJ, he goes in and it's completely fucking restless for the the entirety of his set.

is the Importance of exporting (2 decades of lab-labor it took Chicago to spawn the mutant sound of) footwork today is actually being debated about in a RIP DJ Rashad thread.

fuck I thought it was bad enough everyone left, now dsf hell has frozen over.

and my point really is the validity of an artist isn't contingent based on their popularity or affect.
would Rashad be any more important or affective if he had a billion listeners?
there'd be a fucking national holiday if it was RIP Drake or any other "highly affective artist" died

Again the influence of footwork is worldwide, and the affect is unquantifiable...
"the importance of which is completely subjective"

DiegoSapiens wrote:today i felt asleep listening to ray´s tribute and it was really fucking good plus later in the night i dreamed with rashad

Thanks, glad i could influence creepy ghost dreams

monarchy in dance music

rayman612 wrote:

DiegoSapiens wrote:today i felt asleep listening to ray´s tribute and it was really fucking good plus later in the night i dreamed with rashad

Thanks, glad i could influence creepy ghost dreams

LOL gene what are you trying to do? because it reads as stupid

thx for ruining thread with your arguements

ye lol ffs gene ur chatting absolute maximum fraff here

soiree couldnt be more right




anyway, looking forward to those boiler rooms. tried to listen at the time but the stream was so laggy it kept buffering even after i streamed it back from the very start haha. it did sound really sick tho. looking forward to kode9 & ikonika's, hopefully bring up some nostalgic vibes from seeing em live

what comment was "fraff" for you?

pointless debating for the sake of being argumentative

and this bit lol ->

If you don't think it's a numbers game, then you shouldn't argue against me when I say that footwork only affects a couple of thousand (a number) people at most, and imply that he affected more people than that

could keep debates to the juke thread viewtopic.php?f=1&t=153726
keep this about celebrating/ paying respects to Rashad tbh