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dave wrote:

OoGuN wrote:No one forces a dj to rewind, though crowd pressure can play a part.

and mc pressure.

its cool when the crowd going nuts causes a rewind.

its shit when the crowd isn't feeling it and the mc calls for a rewind because they know it / like it / want to school the crowd / whatever.

I challenge myself and other DJs to do better than the tired boring rewind. We don't need to stand around relistening to 64bars of extended intro made for mixing (some tunes). Once or twice is cool - but not 6 or 7 times in an hour.

How about mixing back into the previous tune and cueing the new record from the drop.

Then the momentum can be held and you can move to another level.

wilberforce wrote: How about mixing back into the previous tune and cueing the new record from the drop.

Then the momentum can be held and you can move to another level.

now thats how i'd like to see it done

serato + cue points + relative mode ftw.

human? wrote:the map is not the territory.

elaborate please?

incyde wrote:

human? wrote:the map is not the territory.

elaborate please?

well, for example... if you look at the block i live on google maps, its a park...

now, i do live on a nice (imo) block, trees and stuff... but its most def not a park. altho, it is one on google maps, they have even given it a name...



its a similar thing with "dubstep"

the word dubstep is pretty much a abstraction. a tool for describing astyle of music, parties etc.... but at same time, its always important to remember that the word is just that.... a abstraction..

so when it comes to "scenes" & "genres" that is my approach... i find them as usefull tools for organizing and exploring (maps), but the situation on the ground is always very different.. constantly evolving and changing in ways that are impossible to map, and very quickly, maps tend to become obsolete... more accurate maps are drawn (subgenres) and/or completely unmapped territory begins to be explored...


imho, its a mistake to see the map (the word dubstep) as the territory (the music, the people & the vibe that transcends names)


its actually a beautiful thing, because maps are usually drawn up for control purposes, and in the case of music, to sell it... unfortunately alot of times, the people in the territory end up confusing the map for reality and dont see alot of whats happening right around them... hence my little reminder...

the map is NOT the territory




btw, robert anton wilson & hakim bey describe this much better than me... look into temporary autonomous zones....

one
human?

^^^LIGHTAAA

Parson wrote:^^^LIGHTAAA

hold it up!

wilberforce wrote: From an NZ perspective I think the club 'scene' suffers from over hype syndrome. The young munters in the front row tend to take over the gig. The MC gets over excited and kills the vibe for the rest of the floor ie. the people who want it deep, diverse and not rewound excessively.

Case in point was the recent Mala gig - on the back of a set here 4 months back where his set was more diverse with NO REWINDS (that i can remember) which was great because he controlled the flow beautifully - instead of the MC's groupies destroying the dancefloor repeatedly.

You're getting into the age-old "rewind debate" which has nothing to do with the Auckland/New Zealand scene specifically- a few points here if I may - Mala rewound the tunes, not the MC nor the crowd; they've been part of soundsystem culture since day one; and there were definitely tunes pulled back at the first Mala gig @ Galatos!

As for the recent show at Rising Sun.. I can assure you that those "munters up front" as you called them were not "MC groupies" at all.. they were a bunch of bass enthusiasts feeding off Mala's beats and energy.. besides, he was dropping shit like SPONGEBOB- you can't expect them to quietly stroke their chins and get all introspective and meditative, tunes like that are bangers.

I played straight after Mala that night (and after DJ Pinch @ FU) and found both crowds to be refreshingly enthusiastic.. smiles and hands up all round.. an absolute pleasure to play to. Big ups Auckland Dubstep - this shit is real and I'm glad to be a part of it

Peace, Love & Getting Crunk,
-DJ Grind

dirtfunk wrote:smiles and hands up all round..

mostly, yes - but there was a significant number of us that were annoyed with the mc and the regular flow breaks in the second (deeper) half of the set.

you're entitled to your own version of events - but it doesn't make them true for all of us.

Like i said "it's about the music - not the hype"
Peace

human? wrote:

incyde wrote:

human? wrote:the map is not the territory.

elaborate please?

well, for example... if you look at the block i live on google maps, its a park...

now, i do live on a nice (imo) block, trees and stuff... but its most def not a park. altho, it is one on google maps, they have even given it a name...



its a similar thing with "dubstep"

the word dubstep is pretty much a abstraction. a tool for describing astyle of music, parties etc.... but at same time, its always important to remember that the word is just that.... a abstraction..

so when it comes to "scenes" & "genres" that is my approach... i find them as usefull tools for organizing and exploring (maps), but the situation on the ground is always very different.. constantly evolving and changing in ways that are impossible to map, and very quickly, maps tend to become obsolete... more accurate maps are drawn (subgenres) and/or completely unmapped territory begins to be explored...


imho, its a mistake to see the map (the word dubstep) as the territory (the music, the people & the vibe that transcends names)


its actually a beautiful thing, because maps are usually drawn up for control purposes, and in the case of music, to sell it... unfortunately alot of times, the people in the territory end up confusing the map for reality and dont see alot of whats happening right around them... hence my little reminder...

the map is NOT the territory




btw, robert anton wilson & hakim bey describe this much better than me... look into temporary autonomous zones....

one
human?

ah i see. well put sir.

incyde wrote:

human? wrote:

incyde wrote:

human? wrote:the map is not the territory.

elaborate please?

well, for example... if you look at the block i live on google maps, its a park...

now, i do live on a nice (imo) block, trees and stuff... but its most def not a park. altho, it is one on google maps, they have even given it a name...



its a similar thing with "dubstep"

the word dubstep is pretty much a abstraction. a tool for describing astyle of music, parties etc.... but at same time, its always important to remember that the word is just that.... a abstraction..

so when it comes to "scenes" & "genres" that is my approach... i find them as usefull tools for organizing and exploring (maps), but the situation on the ground is always very different.. constantly evolving and changing in ways that are impossible to map, and very quickly, maps tend to become obsolete... more accurate maps are drawn (subgenres) and/or completely unmapped territory begins to be explored...


imho, its a mistake to see the map (the word dubstep) as the territory (the music, the people & the vibe that transcends names)


its actually a beautiful thing, because maps are usually drawn up for control purposes, and in the case of music, to sell it... unfortunately alot of times, the people in the territory end up confusing the map for reality and dont see alot of whats happening right around them... hence my little reminder...

the map is NOT the territory




btw, robert anton wilson & hakim bey describe this much better than me... look into temporary autonomous zones....

one
human?

ah i see. well put sir.

BIGGLES haha nice post

hold tight all my dubsteppers...

the map is not the territory.

nlp rule #1

imho, its a mistake to see the map (the word dubstep) as the territory (the music, the people & the vibe that transcends names)

true story!

wilberforce wrote:
How about mixing back into the previous tune and cueing the new record from the drop.

Then the momentum can be held and you can move to another level.

Word... that's what the old breakbeat hardcore DJs always did. I'd love to see more hardcore-style DJing - dig out those old Mickey Finn / Carl Cox / whatever circa 1992 tapes and check out the crossfader abuse and the way they tease with tunes.... best of all how they'll drop a bar of a big tune here and there through a set - then when they finally let it run it tears the roof off....

Mind you I'm an old tnuc.

Joe Muggs wrote:

wilberforce wrote:
How about mixing back into the previous tune and cueing the new record from the drop.

Then the momentum can be held and you can move to another level.

Word... that's what the old breakbeat hardcore DJs always did. I'd love to see more hardcore-style DJing - dig out those old Mickey Finn / Carl Cox / whatever circa 1992 tapes and check out the crossfader abuse and the way they tease with tunes.... best of all how they'll drop a bar of a big tune here and there through a set - then when they finally let it run it tears the roof off....

Mind you I'm an old tnuc.

So am I mate, but I totally agree. Not the most adept dj myself but I was thinking that loads of cutting between tracks would really liven it up (love the old hardcore/junglist style with that), but might cause loads of speaker blowouts if the basslines are clashing. Do get the feeling that too many of these boom bap riddims that seem far too common would still be dull even with that though

Shonky wrote:(,,,) and then started checking what was going on at the old dubplate.net and old Hyperdub site (some great interviews and articles there, pity they seem to have disappeared)

you should be able to find much of it at riddim.ca

The "scene" here in Stockholm is still pretty small but growing every week. So no worries yet

i think dubstep will peak very soon

Harlesden wrote:i think dubstep will peak very soon

pfft no way...will get popular in 08 but not mainstream...no way...

Ashley wrote:

Harlesden wrote:i think dubstep will peak very soon

pfft no way...will get popular in 08 but not mainstream...no way...

Just wait until Burial wins the Mercury prize, then gets up on stage and it turns out its June Sarpong

Then we're all fucked

Joe Muggs wrote:

wilberforce wrote:
How about mixing back into the previous tune and cueing the new record from the drop.

Then the momentum can be held and you can move to another level.

Word... that's what the old breakbeat hardcore DJs always did. I'd love to see more hardcore-style DJing - dig out those old Mickey Finn / Carl Cox / whatever circa 1992 tapes and check out the crossfader abuse and the way they tease with tunes.... best of all how they'll drop a bar of a big tune here and there through a set - then when they finally let it run it tears the roof off....

Mind you I'm an old tnuc.

all abot creative djs

i sometimes like to dabble in dropping some bars to get the crowd excited, then perhaps 30 minutes later drop it completely. naughty naughty