Boring song structures

[_boring]

more synth experimentation OUTSIDE of the bassline.

[sifres]

In my opinion, if a DJ can't be bothered to figure out how to mix thier sets, they aren't worthy of calling themselves a DJ.

Personally I think this is bullshit, and a statement that bothers me as a dj.... Have heard it many times before...

Not dj friendly will mean less play will mean less fun. I personally skip records that don't have friendly intro's or have time changes in the middle. Why? Not because their bad, but because 1) I'm lazy and 2) I want to (and am good enough) to experiment on the fly by mashing records together.

I want to mix records. As I think any good dj will do. Anything that gets in the way, including that annoying tnuc that asks for trance in the middle of a set, I dislike.

Some of these records are really good, but leave my record case after hauling them to three gigs and getting no play. They get replaced by equally kick ass records, that have no annoying time changes, and a proper mixable intro.

Also. Remember that about 75% of your sales will go to aspiring dj's that need to learn, and practice at home. These things (a 13 bar intro, speed differences in the record) throw them off.


Personally? I think you should stick to the formula of a mixable intro AND outro, without speed differences in the middle of the record. If you're not capable of making a 16 bar intro sound interesting and making a record sound slower by sounds and not speed differences, you should go back and practice a little more!

Now; I AM feeling you on the fact that a lot of records sound same-ish though. Trick is to look harder prob.

[FSTZ1]

DJ playable formatted intro = good

throwing originality out the window = bad

[86.]

DJ playable formatted intro = good

throwing originality out the window = bad

this.


this is why I see Ableton as a good thing. creative performance

[DZA]

throwing originality out the window = bad

Not if you get it right

[futures_untold]

My friend does mashups between artists people wouldn't think are mixable. I understand where djs are coming from if all they want to do is beat match song after song, but true inguenity comes when stuff that shouldn't work does.

If you can pull a trance track into a set and make it work, everyone listening will remember your set for that amazing part where the dj pulled a trance track into a dubstep mix and made it work...!

I don't produce 13 bar drops or random tempo changes, but even if I did it still shouldn't matter. I've heard countless d'n'b tunes build up, semi drop, build up some more, cut out, build up some more before finally, dropping on a crowd that couldn't give a fuck. My point is that even in well established dance genres, djs play tunes that aren't perfectly mixable and predicatable by the crowd. If you want predicability and easy of mixing, the world of house music is available to you!

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When I had my decks (both cd and vinyl), I made a point of learning my tunes inside out and experimenting with how each one flowed into a range of other tunes. Hip hop and scratch djs don't need formulaic tunes to work wonders, so why should dance music djs?

[86.]

My friend does mashups between artists people wouldn't think are mixable. I understand where djs are coming from if all they want to do is beat match song after song, but true inguenity comes when stuff that shouldn't work does.

If you can pull a trance track into a set and make it work, everyone listening will remember your set for that amazing part where the dj pulled a trance track into a dubstep mix and made it work...!

I don't produce 13 bar drops or random tempo changes, but even if I did it still shouldn't matter. I've heard countless d'n'b tunes build up, semi drop, build up some more, cut out, build up some more before finally, dropping on a crowd that couldn't give a fuck. My point is that even in well established dance genres, djs play tunes that aren't perfectly mixable and predicatable by the crowd. If you want predicability and easy of mixing, the world of house music is available to you!

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When I had my decks (both cd and vinyl), I made a point of learning my tunes inside out and experimenting with how each one flowed into a range of other tunes. Hip hop and scratch djs don't need formulaic tunes to work wonders, so why should dance music djs?

very nicely put...

the other night I managed to blend indie-rock and I think it was the instrumental fade out of some hip-hop song...I don't exactly recall, it mighta been one of my own joints. But it was fucked up realizing anything can work with anything else.

and all praises due to hip-hop/scratch DJs!

[sifres]

My friend does mashups between artists people wouldn't think are mixable. I understand where djs are coming from if all they want to do is beat match song after song, but true inguenity comes when stuff that shouldn't work does.

If you can pull a trance track into a set and make it work, everyone listening will remember your set for that amazing part where the dj pulled a trance track into a dubstep mix and made it work...!

Isn't that just called La Roux - In For The Kill (Skream's Let's Get Ravey Mix)

I don't produce 13 bar drops or random tempo changes, but even if I did it still shouldn't matter. I've heard countless d'n'b tunes build up, semi drop, build up some more, cut out, build up some more before finally, dropping on a crowd that couldn't give a fuck. My point is that even in well established dance genres, djs play tunes that aren't perfectly mixable and predicatable by the crowd. If you want predicability and easy of mixing, the world of house music is available to you!

I'm actually playing electro mashups for 6 years now

4 years I'm playing with 3 friends and our strength lies in constant back 2 backing. We have to have this predictability to make it work. Actually, because off this predictability we're making almost impossible mixes that start in the middle of a record and sound like a new mash up. Every performance is different and we incorporate a lot of sounds (ghetto tech, hiphouse, oldskool, clash) into 1 performance.

You know... In an ideal world you would probably be right that it promotes creativity. In the real world however, these tracks will be crossfaded too in a break in the previous record. Which sounds dull.

As for d'n'b. I seriously despise the mixing techniques of (some well known) dj's I've seen. They go;
intro, drop, break, drop, REWIND! intro, drop, break, drop, best part off song, FULL STOP and repeat this structure.

Sure, you can get creative in song structure that way. But these guys are not dj's their freaking JUKEBOXES

Hip hop and scratch djs don't need formulaic tunes to work wonders, so why should dance music djs?

Big difference in technique innit? But seeing dubstep is a genre also well suited for d'n'b "mixing" techniques (rewinds and mc's) turntableism AND beatmixing. We're probably both right.

Gentleman's agreement? [/i]

[futures_untold]

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Er, you're right actually

For a moment there, I thought you were an 'I can't be arsed to mix anything that isn't 140 bpm wobble' dj.... (Read Caspa/Chase & Status)

[therapist]

Hmm, a few things.

I'm not complaining that I can't find anything good to listen to, it's not that I need to look harder, I'm just amazed by the number of artists (when I AM looking for new tunes) who just do the same thing over and over again. Someone else mentioned the pointless speech samples put into tracks, some of them are mint but it seems to have become a cheap way to do an intro to a tune (f**k you very much caspa.)

DJ friendly is great, and I do like club dubstep, jump-up... 'Bangerz!' (whatever you're calling it) they've got their place. As do stupid 9.5 bar loops at 13 different tempos, but I wouldn't expect those to get played in a club by anyone. It doesn't mean though that you have to make the same tune over and over again, (eh caspa?) as someone else said on here; if you can't make 16 bars of 4/4 interesting then that's your problem not anyone else's.

If a DJ can mix a load of crazy s**t together than fair play but that's more than you'd ask for I think. Basically, this is a very longwinded way of saying that 'Caspa- Terminator' is the worst tune I think I've ever heard.

[annias]

it's because so many people making tunes are kids fucking around with vsts and not musicians.

no disrespect, but maybe someone should make a "music theory" plugin for them.

OMG I JUST LEARNED HOW TO ARRANGE COUNTERPOINT MELODIES AND EMPLOY PLAGAL CADENCES!

ahahah thanks for the laugh

[trike12]

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Epic!!!

[slothrop]

Not dj friendly will mean less play will mean less fun. I personally skip records that don't have friendly intro's or have time changes in the middle. Why? Not because their bad, but because 1) I'm lazy and 2) I want to (and am good enough) to experiment on the fly by mashing records together.

I want to mix records. As I think any good dj will do. Anything that gets in the way, including that annoying tnuc that asks for trance in the middle of a set, I dislike.

I dunno, it seems to me that there's a difference between making tunes DJ friendly so some gooner who first heard of dubstep last week can download a couple of dozen tracks and mix them without bothering to listen to them first on a shit system to a room full of people who think Caspa and Rusko's Fabric Live represents the maximum breadth of the dubstep genre and anything different isn't worth dancing too, and not have to worry about people getting confused or scared, and making tunes for a DJ you respect to play out to a knowledgeable crowd on a good system, eg stuff you can imagine Kode 9 dropping at FWD.

You can probably tell I can't be arsed with the first approach, but I think DJs and clubs are central to this music, to the extent that if you really think 'fuck DJs, fuck clubs, I'm making music to listen to at home', you aren't making dubstep, you're making music that nicks some ideas from dubstep. To drop the I-bomb, you're making IDM. If you read interviews with the innovators and creators who made the scene what it was, they all talk about being inspired by the innovations of garage and jungle, they all talk about the creativity of dub and soundsystem culture. Those are all styles of music that were created for DJs and created for people dancing. Complete the following El-B lyric: "it all starts in the a) club b) bedroom".

Sorry, rant mode off. I've got no problems with people making music for people to listen to in bedrooms or bathrooms or whatever, but the idea that making music to be played by DJs is always a hindrance to creativity rather than a spur to pushing yourself further and doing something madder winds me up and sounds like a kind of a 'disco sucks' mentality that's kind of missing the point of, yunno, dance music...

[chronicrecords]

not in the slightest. and i find ppl like you rather annoying. if your bored with the song structure, either dont listen to it, or make your own thats better. why do u feel the need to let everyone know that you are bored? the majority of ppl are not bored with it thats why they keep making these tunes.
I dont think im gonna get bored with the dubstep sound or dj song structure for a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time. and i mean fucking long like 10 years or more

[youthful_implants]

Sorry but don't an awful lot of traditional dub records have the same structure?

And they weren't meant to have DJ friendly intros cos they weren't beat-mixed so I would hazard a guess that songs which have incongruent intros followed by a big drop are really following in that tradition.

If you want stuff with a bit more progression, you do need to look further afield.

[abZ]

I like a certain amount of predictability with dance music. I know not all dubstep is dance music and in which case go nuts! But dance music is founded on cliche. To me a great tune to play out is one that does have the predictable arrangement but does a fantastic job of hiding it. It is like the tune is a few seconds ahead of your brain. The problem to me is not necessarily in the arrangement but rather in EVERY aspect of the tune. The drum patterns the melody of the bassline the sounds themselves, obligatory sample from a movie, etc. If you are really good use the standard template and make it sound totally different from everything else. Like glitch kills me, it is randomness just for the sake of randomness, I don't want to listen to that shit.

You know it's like why don't we just throw music theory out the window too. Fuck Cm7, how many times have you heard that in a track? They only way to maintain integrity as a musician is to make music that only you and your mum like. Starting to sound like a rant here I am done.

[lowpass]

I'm gonna be unpopular and say a big thankyou to all the big names producers who create their tracks bang on 140 bpm with simple song structures and an easy to follow beat and hook in the intro.

Makes my life as a DJ easy as hell

waiitttt.. easy as hell? that's not a sayi....

[abZ]

I'm gonna be unpopular and say a big thankyou to all the big names producers who create their tracks bang on 140 bpm with simple song structures and an easy to follow beat and hook in the intro.

Makes my life as a DJ easy as hell

waiitttt.. easy as hell? that's not a sayi....

139.999 bpm and 7/4 timing or quit making music plz... and don't even get me started on equal temper.