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STINJEE wrote:had a demo of z3ta a while back n couldnt get my head around it, still everyone says its sick, the lfo's confused the shit out of me, but then again my iq is about 13 so what can i really expect!!

only runs 100$ too worth every penny
mod matrix takes a lil bit to get used to but it's pretty straight forward once you do

yea some of the presets sounded good, really fat, i respect it has some potential man

i do the majority of my basslines in it

I am now getting a z3ta+ demo to try it out, looks like it could be good.

My opinion on the massive vs albino debate:

I support massive, I think albino can probably do more but really prefer massive's interface - it's quick and easy to use. My main preference of massive's interface over albino is that you cant seem to type values into albino, you have to play around with the irritating little knobs until you get the right number. (If there is a way to type in albino, please let me know in a PM, thanks!)

have both, I use massive more then albino purely because I know the plugin better then albino....

i never make a tune without albino

Dav.id wrote:have both, I use massive more then albino purely because I know the plugin better then albino....

same here

btw, i have now tried z3ta+ and i think it's awesome. anyone looking for something different to albino or massive - give it a try!

I think everybody has z3ta, it's fucking old school

Dav.id wrote:I think everybody has z3ta, it's fucking old school

I don't.....yet . I've heard so many great things about it for years and still haven't even tried the demo. As z3ta is clearly a classic by now, I really should purchase a copy. learn it and put out a new, niche-genre bank for it. There are enough Trance banks out there from what I understand, so a Dubstep set should fill the remaining void quite nicely.

Trance banks are quite popular and might still sell better despite all the bloat in that area, but sounds for that genre do tend to lock you into conforming to certain idioms, whereas Dubstep and IDM are much, much more free, IMHO.

Back on topic...my personal choice would be Massive. The workflow is much more immediate to me and I just happen to like the sonic character of Massive better personally. Plus Massive is by far a better choice for glitch type sound effects and more exotic atmosheres/noisebeds.

I had problems automating the LFO sync on massive when I tried the demo, didnt get into the deeper aspect of the lfo as I'm aware that there is a work-a-round.

been using albino since its out-set and it finds its way into most tracks!

amazing LFO's too...

dav.id wrote:I think everybody has z3ta, it's fucking old school

Well until this thread, I'd never heard of it

lester wrote:I had problems automating the LFO sync on massive when I tried the demo

That, imo, is the only real let down of massive for dubstep production. Tbh, it is an issue for many other genres but dubstep especially

I prefer Albino 3 to Massive myself, but i do like alot of other VSTis i have better than both of these.

i personally like them both...
it's really just about how you use them.
you really have to experiment and just mess with all the knobs.

i def. started using massive more for my wobs now that i can sync automate.

i guess i might start to like Albino as soon as i discover what the fuck is going on under this stupid GUI, Massive is pretty straightforward, but yeah after listening to some presets i have to say Albino's deep basses sound really dope