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Blip wrote:Thanks, Cynic.

I am using Ableton, can't do that layering with Impulse but I suppose with Simpler? Anyone doing that?

i use impulse to layer my drums....works for me but it all depends on personal prefrance i suppose

EQ.

And good samples.

You don't need four kicks. You need one good one.

You don't need six snares layered together...

etc etc

Osk wrote:EQ.

And good samples.

You don't need four kicks. You need one good one.

You don't need six snares layered together...

etc etc

You don't *need* them, but you do need what sounds good. Personally I don't like to layer kicks or hats, but I'll almost always layer a couple of snares. Just a couple, mind, life's too short to make 6 average snares sound like one good one.

i use logic exs24 for kick, snare, and hats all get one channel each
then recycle convert in exs or wav in an audio channel as many as i see fit

Auan wrote:

Osk wrote:EQ.

And good samples.

You don't need four kicks. You need one good one.

You don't need six snares layered together...

etc etc

You don't *need* them, but you do need what sounds good. Personally I don't like to layer kicks or hats, but I'll almost always layer a couple of snares. Just a couple, mind, life's too short to make 6 average snares sound like one good one.

Yeah. Agreed. Two or three snares that bring something different to the party.

Osk wrote:

Auan wrote:

Osk wrote:EQ.

And good samples.

You don't need four kicks. You need one good one.

You don't need six snares layered together...

etc etc

You don't *need* them, but you do need what sounds good. Personally I don't like to layer kicks or hats, but I'll almost always layer a couple of snares. Just a couple, mind, life's too short to make 6 average snares sound like one good one.

Yeah. Agreed. Two or three snares that bring something different to the party.

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a mate of mine was doing a d'n'b remix for Nu:Tone's little brother
he's learnt from NuTone (and the other brother, Logistics)...

they use reason and literally have about 10 ReDrums in the rack, all with different layers for their drum sound !
(thats in addition to ReCycled breaks in Dr Rex)

eg filter one of the snares high pass, one low pass, distort one etc

a very nice end result

try idrum....

Chunkie wrote:a mate of mine was doing a d'n'b remix for Nu:Tone's little brother
he's learnt from NuTone (and the other brother, Logistics)...

they use reason and literally have about 10 ReDrums in the rack, all with different layers for their drum sound !
(thats in addition to ReCycled breaks in Dr Rex)

eg filter one of the snares high pass, one low pass, distort one etc

a very nice end result

yeah but that's drum and bass. which is too noisy these days.

depends what you like I guess. I like polish.

If ur using reason just have 2 redrums. Same pattern. I would however just load pure sh1T into cooledit and start layering and altering things. Remember to back up all filkes tho

using battery 3 at the moment, quite handy... might give drumstack a try though

I tried the demo of Guru the other day and while i could get some interesting results i think i wil always come back to doing my drums in audio in cubase, probably cos automating VSTis and their channels is a pain in the arse in it.

forensix (mcr) wrote:I tried the demo of Guru the other day and while i could get some interesting results i think i wil always come back to doing my drums in audio in cubase, probably cos automating VSTis and their channels is a pain in the arse in it.

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ive gone back to doing drums in audio its so much better than midi.
and you can see wots going on alot better.


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horses for courses, my drums always sound shit unless i bash them out on my padcontrol...

By doing drums in audio do you mean taking the samples and pasting them into tracks burial-style, or bouncing your drum sampler's audio and then working on that?

Cheers for the hints btw, that ableton rack sounds pretty handy.

Taking the drum samples and arranging them in Cubase's audio lanes. A bit like arranging midi, but all in line and you can see the waveforms. Not Burial style because you can still move the hits around after they're arranged.

Pretty anal way of working if you ask me. Makes a lot more sense when you're working with chopped breaks and not just single hits. And seems like you'd get your layers matched a bit tighter without messing around with envelopes and millisecond delays and all that. Not for me though.

Here's how I do my drums/layering in ableton... never really used the impulse, simpler, or sampler. Just stick each wav right into the arrangement, with each sound getting their own channel. I like having the option of viewing and cutting each sound, reversing, etc. No need for midi really...

Layering drums..

Where is the confusion?

Get two drum sounds.

Make two audio tracks

Put one drum on one track

Put the other one, on the other track.

They will play at the same time.

Done.

doing your drums only on audio tracks can end up sounding pretty stiff and mechanical if u dont know what u r doing (or even if u do know, but just want em sounding mechanical).

but i like it. like seeing the wavs, chopping, shifting, duplicating.

but u alway got 2 find ways 2 make it feel human again, cheat it somehow

dunno. nothing neccesarily better or worse about doing it this way, i just like it. but the question of "how do u layer drums" never occurs 2 u, cos this way u end up layering from the word go.

kind of relieved 2 find other people doing this actually; though i was a misfit 4 a while. in the begininning i dint even relaise here was another way. but even recently i done some entire tracks like this in logic, without any midi or audio instr.s