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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by hurlingdervish » Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:40 pm

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by jameshk » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:33 pm

Well I dont know about you guys, but this is definatelty having a place in my project studio. Thats one of the most incredible things i've ever seen.

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by deadly_habit » Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:40 pm

dna is gonna be sick for sampling imo fuck negatives i can deal with transients

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by nowaysj » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:13 pm

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by nowaysj » Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:26 pm

In all honesty though - there is a down side to this - I've got so many tools now, like way too many tools, they are beyond my ability to learn and imagine. This device is just so wide open and powerfull. I could spend the next 10 years playing around with it, like I've spent the last 10 years playing around w/ everything that came before - and not actually making music. I know its my problem, but still - a down side for me :)
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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by Disco Nutter » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:46 pm

future producer wrote:you think we could have our fave vocal track, the vocal is something that we always wanted to use, could we pretty much edit everything out and leave the vocal part?
No, it doesn't work like that. You can edit it, but not completely edit it out! As far as I remember from watching the vid some time ago!

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by abZ » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:40 pm

Disco Nutter wrote:
future producer wrote:you think we could have our fave vocal track, the vocal is something that we always wanted to use, could we pretty much edit everything out and leave the vocal part?
No, it doesn't work like that. You can edit it, but not completely edit it out! As far as I remember from watching the vid some time ago!

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Yeah they tell you everywhere when I looked that you need a single non-effected instrument track for the best results. Everyone seems to skip over that part. There are no doubt some crazy things that can possibly be done with it when used other than the way it was intended :lol: but is this ever going to come out? For real I think I read about this like 3 years ago. Not sure they have fully worked out how to get the software to do what it says on the tin.

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by contakt321 » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:42 pm

It's in Beta now. I am curious how well it will work on effected tracks or trying to untangle more than one instrument. I wonder what kind of artifacts or how the limitations will be manifested.

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Post by Disco Nutter » Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:45 pm

Only time will tell. :)

Really wanna hear it in action used by some sicko! :i:

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by wormcode » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:14 am

There was another piece of software last year that claimed to "extract seperate parts" of anything. They did a demo will like a Phil Collins song or something, and it worked alright except for hearing some percussion in the background. I can't remember the software since it was like well over 2 grand, so I lost interest lol. Anyone remember it? Saw it at NAMM or something. It might be this, but i'm pretty sure it was different..

Anyway, i'm pretty skeptical. I think it would only work with some things, and i'm sure they picked those particular songs to demo for a reason. I doubt it's going to be able to break down something with a crazy mixdown, with many different sounds at many pitches taking up the whole frequency range.

Anyone have the beta and tried anything crazy?

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Post by abZ » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:27 am

wormcode wrote:There was another piece of software last year that claimed to "extract seperate parts" of anything. They did a demo will like a Phil Collins song or something, and it worked alright except for hearing some percussion in the background. I can't remember the software since it was like well over 2 grand, so I lost interest lol. Anyone remember it? Saw it at NAMM or something. It might be this, but i'm pretty sure it was different..

Anyway, i'm pretty skeptical. I think it would only work with some things, and i'm sure they picked those particular songs to demo for a reason. I doubt it's going to be able to break down something with a crazy mixdown, with many different sounds at many pitches taking up the whole frequency range.

Anyone have the beta and tried anything crazy?
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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by collective » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:38 am

I have seen this used in studios for replacing live drums. A drummer comes in plays, they replace each hit with a sample... probably played by a better drummer.

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by wormcode » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:52 am

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wormcode wrote:There was another piece of software last year that claimed to "extract seperate parts" of anything. They did a demo will like a Phil Collins song or something, and it worked alright except for hearing some percussion in the background. I can't remember the software since it was like well over 2 grand, so I lost interest lol. Anyone remember it? Saw it at NAMM or something. It might be this, but i'm pretty sure it was different..

Anyway, i'm pretty skeptical. I think it would only work with some things, and i'm sure they picked those particular songs to demo for a reason. I doubt it's going to be able to break down something with a crazy mixdown, with many different sounds at many pitches taking up the whole frequency range.

Anyone have the beta and tried anything crazy?
Find the name of it. 2k for a fucking piece of software is insanity. I will find a crack and install it on my computer and then never use it just on principle.
Been looking for it man, and i'm sure it was this:
SonicWORX: http://www.prosoniq.com/editing-products/sonicworx/

From their FAQ: The RRP of sonicWORX • Pro is 1.690 Euro, or $1.849 USD (incl. tax).
Not as much as I remember, but still pretty crazy.

Ah it wasn't Phil Collins, it was Peter Gabriel! I was close lol.


The video was pretty funny.

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by deadly_habit » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:56 am

on;y thing i can justify paing that much for is vienna symphonic library

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by hurlingdervish » Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:53 am

hahah that computer isn't even powerful enough to demo it correctly

what a jokeee

who is going to buy something that doesn't even run

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by hurlingdervish » Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:54 am

waittttt


did he say

GIGABYTE FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES?????

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Post by collige » Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:12 am

hurlingdervish wrote:waittttt


did he say

GIGABYTE FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES?????
A Pro Tools session could easily take up that much depending on sample rate/bit depth/ number of tracks.
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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by the dub lemon » Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:58 am

nitz wrote: Fair play to your honest opinion, first one, you would really not care what so ever who would have made original composition to a track lets just say that just gone mainstream, lots of publicist on the song, money being made ect ect...? You would not care what so ever?

second one, yes i argree with you it is, even the hip hop scene is theres no doubt about it! but to what extend lets take timberland for example a well known producer, but as many people now known all most all this hits where sample from quite old songs and these are not 3/4 sec sample am on about its the whole thing! now many many people hate him for this, 100% its no doubt about it what ever you say there are people out there.. calling him a thief, fake ect ect. However on the other hand there people say who gives a shit...! is the music good yes.. then why do you care ?

It just depends on the extend of it!

You've argued against your own point there. You say that if you rip off a whole song it's wrong but if you creatively sample so that the sample is copped up and indistinguishable then it's alright? Fair enough I agree with you there.

But then you say that if you use melodyne to take some audio and separate it so that the original track is unrecognizable that some how isn't alright? Sorry, I'm just not with you there.

My basic feeling is that if you rely heavily on a sample or parts of track you either credit it as a remix or you pay for the rights but if you mangle something to the extent that it's no longer resembles the original track then it's fair game. There are no downsides to melodyne what so ever, if people want to ripped of other peoples works and try and get rich from it that entirely down to their conscious and when they get found out they'll get ridiculed...nothing to do with melodyn.

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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by Pada » Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:19 am

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nitz wrote:There are many disadv to using this, but on the other hand there lots of adv too.
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Re: new melodyne thing is gonna be mental...

Post by nitz » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:00 pm

the dub lemon wrote:
nitz wrote: Fair play to your honest opinion, first one, you would really not care what so ever who would have made original composition to a track lets just say that just gone mainstream, lots of publicist on the song, money being made ect ect...? You would not care what so ever?

second one, yes i argree with you it is, even the hip hop scene is theres no doubt about it! but to what extend lets take timberland for example a well known producer, but as many people now known all most all this hits where sample from quite old songs and these are not 3/4 sec sample am on about its the whole thing! now many many people hate him for this, 100% its no doubt about it what ever you say there are people out there.. calling him a thief, fake ect ect. However on the other hand there people say who gives a shit...! is the music good yes.. then why do you care ?

It just depends on the extend of it!

You've argued against your own point there. You say that if you rip off a whole song it's wrong but if you creatively sample so that the sample is copped up and indistinguishable then it's alright? Fair enough I agree with you there.

But then you say that if you use melodyne to take some audio and separate it so that the original track is unrecognizable that some how isn't alright? Sorry, I'm just not with you there.

My basic feeling is that if you rely heavily on a sample or parts of track you either credit it as a remix or you pay for the rights but if you mangle something to the extent that it's no longer resembles the original track then it's fair game. There are no downsides to melodyne what so ever, if people want to ripped of other peoples works and try and get rich from it that entirely down to their conscious and when they get found out they'll get ridiculed...nothing to do with melodyn.
No, when i meant you can take a short sample 3/4 sec long i meant something along the lines of a jazz sax 2 note sample or something like that, i never meant to say taking like 8/16 bar sample out of a tune is acceptable, i may have wrote it in a wrong way, by bad. 100's of people use 3/4 sec long samples, amen break,most of them reggae/dub influenced dubstep songs some of the ambient dubstep stuff. I would say there noting wrong with that, and law wise i don't think you will be in breach of mech copyright simply because it too short(but not too sure on that,you still may be because your using the original recording) ,the sample does not build the song, the song is build around the sample.

Ok, i get you point of view, if someone wants to use the software in the wrong way, let they and wait till they get found out and then "get ridiculed". Fair point
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