Sub bass you can feel and HEAR?

tripwire22 · Post by **tripwire22** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:02 pm

How do i get a sub like Cyrus's Space Cadet

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:04 pm

macc wrote:
Anyway, what's important here (IMO) is to understand that not all saturation is the same, and that the specific distribution of harmonics is what makes something clean and audible or full and warm (and everything in between). So choose your method, and tools, according to the sound you want.

What kind of saturation do I want to look at then for what I want? I am not after fuzzy ear bleeding noises:)

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:04 pm

serox wrote:
legend4ry wrote:
serox wrote:
legend4ry wrote:Layer a sine an octave above and satuarate it
You saying satuarate the one an octave higher or both?
The one higher innit, keep your low sub clean cause you won't "Hear" thats my logic anyways
I thought you meant that.

You know I think I have tired this already and could not get it sounding smooth like this. No where near it. With a filter you it just filters down until you cannot hear it and it never goes past this warm smooth sound.

Have it on a another channel strip / cloan the vst (if you're using one) and filter it differently to your deep sub and use VERY subtle saturation. Thats how I got the bass in "special kinda vibe" and I really like the effect and will use it more.
I also had a very very quiet saw in there (at around 150-250hz) so give it some extra gritt!

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:25 pm

tripwire22 wrote:How do i get a sub like Cyrus's Space Cadet

This is not a how do i make this sound thread really bro.

I want to know a bit more about the science with this if possible:)

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:26 pm

legend4ry wrote: Have it on a another channel strip / cloan the vst (if you're using one) and filter it differently to your deep sub and use VERY subtle saturation. Thats how I got the bass in "special kinda vibe" and I really like the effect and will use it more.
I also had a very very quiet saw in there (at around 150-250hz) so give it some extra gritt!

U got an audio clip?

I am so shit at explaining things lol.

macc · Post by **macc** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:27 pm

serox wrote: What kind of saturation do I want to look at then for what I want? I am not after fuzzy ear bleeding noises:)

One that makes it sound the way you like

You just need to know what tools give you what sound.

For the kind of sound I think you mean, I get two things pop into my head; UAD precision maximiser (bad name for what is a tube emulation essentially) and real, high-quality tubes. But I am sure there's other plugs that manage it, maybe that new wavearts thing but I ain't tried that yet.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:30 pm

serox wrote:
macc wrote:
Anyway, what's important here (IMO) is to understand that not all saturation is the same, and that the specific distribution of harmonics is what makes something clean and audible or full and warm (and everything in between). So choose your method, and tools, according to the sound you want.
What kind of saturation do I want to look at then for what I want? I am not after fuzzy ear bleeding noises:)

you can start with anything, really-- a tube overdrive emulation. could be a good place to go. camel crusher's always a nice place to start. airwindows' free "channel" plug is great for subtle overdrive fx as well-- and the key is SUBTLETY. distortion isn't just an on-off thing, a little bit very low in the mix can go a long way. and yeah, filter out what you don't want.

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:33 pm

macc wrote:
One that makes it sound the way you like

You just need to know what tools give you what sound.

For the kind of sound I think you mean, I get two things pop into my head; UAD precision maximiser (bad name for what is a tube emulation essentially) and real, high-quality tubes. But I am sure there's other plugs that manage it, maybe that new wavearts thing but I ain't tried that yet.

So am I right in thinking it is not just a single sine? it is about the processing?

Is the bass sounds I have linked to what you may call 'warm'? I dont know how else to explain it.

serox · Post by **serox** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 4:36 pm

Sharmaji wrote:
you can start with anything, really-- a tube overdrive emulation. could be a good place to go. camel crusher's always a nice place to start. airwindows' free "channel" plug is great for subtle overdrive fx as well-- and the key is SUBTLETY. distortion isn't just an on-off thing, a little bit very low in the mix can go a long way. and yeah, filter out what you don't want.

Generally I keep away from Distortion apart from Tape and I only use it a bit on kicks and snares. I guess I will have to explore Tube dist and see what I can do with that if thats what u think is needed...

mks · Post by **mks** » Thu Nov 19, 2009 10:18 pm

One old technique is to layer a sound with some attack onto a sine and re-sample. I usually always play my subs in a sampler rather than from a synth. An 808 kick layered onto a sine will do the trick nicely. Play with the envelope attack settings to get the sound that you want.

EZ

grooki · Post by **grooki** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 2:48 am

tripwire22 wrote:How do i get a sub like Cyrus's Space Cadet

OH MY GOD. jizzed.

edit:ah cyrus wrote Indian Stomp. One of my favorite tracks from a while back. Go Cyrus!

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 9:55 am

mks wrote:One old technique is to layer a sound with some attack onto a sine and re-sample. I usually always play my subs in a sampler rather than from a synth. An 808 kick layered onto a sine will do the trick nicely. Play with the envelope attack settings to get the sound that you want.

EZ

I thought an 808 goes low enough it does not need a sub?! dunno how you could actually even fit anything of any use under an 808...

tripwire22 · Post by **tripwire22** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 12:45 pm

serox wrote:
tripwire22 wrote:How do i get a sub like Cyrus's Space Cadet
This is not a how do i make this sound thread really bro.

I want to know a bit more about the science with this if possible:)

yeah i kno i was going to rip ur thread in half but if u listen to the tune u might also want to synthesis that sub like me....

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:49 pm

tripwire22 wrote:
yeah i kno i was going to rip ur thread in half but if u listen to the tune u might also want to synthesis that sub like me....

Cyrus's Space Cadet is exactly what I am not talking about tho:D

That is just a plane Sine wave sub! you can hardly hear it. Play it loud and you will feel it tho. This is some of Cyrus's early stuff, I think he has improved since this was made and he does not just leave a plane sine like this anymore, I dont think.

It is not like the sub bass in the tunes I linked where you can actually hear the sub even on shit speaker at low volume.

mks · Post by **mks** » Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:11 pm

serox wrote:
mks wrote:One old technique is to layer a sound with some attack onto a sine and re-sample. I usually always play my subs in a sampler rather than from a synth. An 808 kick layered onto a sine will do the trick nicely. Play with the envelope attack settings to get the sound that you want.

EZ
I thought an 808 goes low enough it does not need a sub?! dunno how you could actually even fit anything of any use under an 808...

Indeed, an 808 with a long decay will make a great sub, what I'm talking about is a short attack from a KICK drum grafted onto a sine which would be on top, not underneath. You can use an 808, 909 whatever, those just work good because they are already analog. It just has to match up with your sine in timbre, tune it, get it at the right level and play with the envelop settings on the attack. This is an old jungle trick. It will give you more of an attack on a usually attackless sine wave which will cut through the mix more. You don't want it to overpower your regular kick drum, but people will usually try to tune the bass to the kicks. Then re-sample. Try it. Layer more stuff on to it to give it more harmonics as other people have suggested.

youthful_implants · Post by **youthful_implants** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:09 pm

you dont want your sub to be too low, so if you cant hear it you're wasting your time.

if you dont know about sub bass the wiki entry is comprehensive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-bass

use a frequency analyser to see where its hitting - it wants to be peaking between 40 and 90hz any lower and its going to get rolled off or hurt systems. Any higher and well, its going to interfere with the rest of your mix.

A warm sub is probably one of the easier sounds to replicate.

If you use massive initialise a patch, take the pitch down to -24 and select a waveform you like the sound of. Use the filter to find the frequency which is most pleasing - job done.

tripwire22 · Post by **tripwire22** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:59 pm

glottis5 · Post by **glottis5** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:20 pm

distortion + low pass filter with a lot of resonance

serox · Post by **serox** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 1:27 pm

mks wrote:
Indeed, an 808 with a long decay will make a great sub, what I'm talking about is a short attack from a KICK drum grafted onto a sine which would be on top, not underneath. You can use an 808, 909 whatever, those just work good because they are already analog. It just has to match up with your sine in timbre, tune it, get it at the right level and play with the envelop settings on the attack. This is an old jungle trick. It will give you more of an attack on a usually attackless sine wave which will cut through the mix more. You don't want it to overpower your regular kick drum, but people will usually try to tune the bass to the kicks. Then re-sample. Try it. Layer more stuff on to it to give it more harmonics as other people have suggested.

I have been trying with this for a while. I was wondering how Darqwan was making his bass. He has jungle snares so I thought it may be an old jungle trick!

I thought it was two 808 kicks. One standard and the other on top with dist?

Here is an example of it I think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86zUriSU ... re=related

martello · Post by **martello** » Sun Nov 22, 2009 5:19 pm

Great thread. Subs - my weakest side.
This Pinch - Widescreen is a good example.
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