Dubstep Roots - What are yours? The debate...

[bagelator]

I love dubstep, but I also love garage. A few people should start investigating the roots before placing rigid strictures on the genre and claiming sole rights to dubstep. There will be people who argue with minor points of language in this post but that avoids the issue. All the intelligent ones will fully gauge the sentiments rather thatn the rudiments of my imperfect grammar.

SLATE

this argument is about neophilia and people desperate to grab onto something they deem to be 'new', hence the hate for garage and grime by a lot of people who are 'into' dubstep, without realising the significance of both garage and grime in the spawning of dubstep.

also before the name was coined the idea seemed to be about making tracks with depth, weight and imagination that defied pigeon holes. even if sometimes the ideas didnt sit well together

[boulty]

I never really followed garage or any of the roots really. I was into things like the bug, scorn and the more experimental side of hiphop. Then I heard some grime and loved it, a friend later introduced me to Vex'd Degenerate and I've been hooked ever since then.

[RFID]

scorn

loves me some scorn

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[shards]

See also I put it to you that Muslimgauze invented Dubstep in 1995

Let's see..... 70/80's Electro (Kraftwerk, Herbie Hancock, Afrika Bambaata)
Late 80's Hip-Hop (Public Enemy, De La Soul, Disposable Heros of Hiphoprisy);
Early 90's Rave (Acen, 2 Bad Mice, Prodigy)
mid-90's "Intelligent" Techno (Orbital, Plaid, Fluke, Aphex Twin) &
mid-90s Jungle (Lamb, Goldie, T-Power)
Mid-late 90's Techstep (No U-Turn)
turn-of-the-century Neurofunk (Ed Rush, Optical, Ram Trilogy)
Early-00's Deep D&B (Teebee, K/Polar, Future Prophecies);
early-mid 90's Bristrol Brit/Trip-Hop (Massive Attack, Tricky, Portishead)
via No Protection into Dub Reggae proper (Mad Professor, Horace Andy, King Tubby, Lee "Scratch" Perry) &
mid-late 90's blunted beats (Kruder & Dorfmeister, Mo'Wax, Ninja Tunes)
turn-of-the-century Nu-School & Progressive Breaks (Andy Page, BT, Hybrid, FreQ Nasty)
early 00's Broken Beat (Stereotyp, Phuturistix, Bugz in the Attic);
Vangelis Blade Runner
World Music (Talvin Singh, Nitin Sawhney, Badmarsh & Shri)
early-mid 00's Psychedelic Dub (Shpongle, Shulman, Ott).....

..... and there's probably a heap more tenuous but personally significant associations I could list. I heard a lot of 2-Step & UKG in the early 00's that I wasn't feeling, until Plasticman's White Gloves & Slaughter Mob vs. Search & Destroy's EP on Soul>>Ja, along with performances here by Kode9 in 2003 & Lombardo in 2004 set me right

[nod]

See also I put it to you that Muslimgauze invented Dubstep in 1995

i can feel you on the muslimgauze...that dude was all over the place

i personally got introduced by a friend letting me...uh...'preview' the burial album several months ago (as well as boxcutter - oneiric) around the same time. been listening to all different types of dub for quite a while now...was mostly djing psydub and other electronic dub (iration steppas, zion train, adrian sherwood/on u sound, etc.) before i discovered the wonders of dubstep

you heads may want to check out some of the ny dark dub shit that sort of came out of the trip-hop/illbient scene....esp. recommend wordsound records (couple Bug releases on here), sub dub, dr. isreal, some of laswell's stuff kind of touches on it as well....

and sandoz!

as for garage...never really got into it when i heard it initially. i grew up near chicago, so i got exposed to a shit ton of bad house and have never quite been able to listen to anything housey without getting a bad taste in my mouth ever since...

[parson]

scorn needs more props

and they were always awesome, and some might say evanescence is their best album

however. gyral, when the other dude quit and mick went solo, and then logghi barogghi and zander. these albums were bare minimal dub and speaker damaging bass. no frills.

[downngoing]

I've been spinning breaks, dnb, house for almost 10 years and just when I was feeling a little "bored" with "genres" all sounding too cookie cutter.... Dubstep came along my path and infected me thanks to a close friend about a year ago. The offbeat schizophrenic sounding drums and spacious samples are perfect for A.D.D. kidz like me.

BIG UP MUSIC FOR HEADS WITH ATTENTION DEFICIT DISORDER MASSIVE!
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What makes me love dubstep more is it's inadvertent similarity to one of my fav musical miracles, Portishead. It's obvious that the bassline techniques are more twisted and mental these days but, I find there to be a direct similarity to the mean "extended snares used on nearly all Portishead material. IMHO

Let the music grow and just enjoy the fact that there is such a cool sound coming from the speakers now, there will be other 'offshoots' that defy characteristic labeling to argue over...
DUBSTEP IS HERE NOW AND I'M LOVIN EVERY SECOND!!!
(sry for caps)

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[phurious]

I fully appreciate the garage roots of dubstep, but to me it is a new phase in the evolution and as it mutates (which all music does) we get to hear more and more diverse influences coming through. Just look at some dubstep producers' My Space pages and you can read their influences, and this inevitably comes through in their productions...house, 2 Step, breaks, techno it's all there whether it's to your taste or not.

It's very easy (and natural) to compare present dubstep to what we already know, I mean everyone communicates more often than not via previous points of reference, but sometimes you have to be open minded and face the future even if it turns out to be something not to your taste.

[crazydave]

Into Big Beat and early 90s Hip Hop from the age of 9... moved onto Nu Metal at 13, and became properly obsessed with music from the age of 16, picking up a genre every few months. Namely (in order):

RnB, Punk Rock, Turntablism, Underground Hip Hop, Funk, Afrobeat, Golden Age Hip Hop, Miami Bass, Ragga Dancehall, True School Hip Hop, Breakbeat, UK Grime, Neo Soul, Britcore Hip Hop, Acoustic, Jungle, Raggacore, Mid-School Hip Hop, Northern Soul, Nu Jazz, Broken Beat, Bossa Nova, Drum & Bass, Latin Jazz, Psychadelic Rock, Dubstep, Roots Reggae, Dub.


Never got into the Speed Garage / 2-Step thing... It just seemed insubstantial in some way.
Now a Steppa just over a year deep

[RFID]

See also I put it to you that Muslimgauze invented Dubstep in 1995

i can feel you on the muslimgauze...that dude was all over the place

=muslimgauze <-------- Definately a huge influence on me as well
never realized the connection to the dubstep.


*RIP that man

[RFID]

I also forgot to mention AFRICAN HEADCHARGE


their music gets you high w/o the grass!

probably the first real real DEEP DUB I had ever heard (circa 1991)

[phurious]

scorn

loves me some scorn

!

Mick Harris' beats and bass are bonecrushingly ace. His releases on Hymen are pure unadulterated filth - the kind of stuff that could make you paranoid.

I've got a wicked boxset of Scorn remixes called Ellipsis http://www.discogs.com/release/241185
The Coil mixes are absolutely amazing, and the Autechre one is suitably, er Autechresque.
definitely worth checking out.

[parson]

harvey keitel's voice crying and praying naked is etched into my memory from trying to fall asleep listening to ellipsis way back in the day

[shards]

The first thing that came to mind when listening Berkane Sol 003 was how much it reminded me of Leftfield. Surprisingly, they haven't been mentioned before in this thread?

[the947sw11]

I originally posted this on the "Life Before Dubstep" thread a few months ago, but it seems appropriate for here as well:

Liked hip-hop/electro from about 1981-1990.

Went to my first reggae dance in about 1984, while still going to indie/metal/punk clubs and gigs, but it was a glimpse of things to come.
Reggae has never really gone away - it's always there even if I don't buy that much of it compared to other genres.

Proceeded through early house/acid/techno/garage/rave (1986-1991) into the music which became Jungle/drum 'n' bass (1990-1998). Was going to garage clubs in the mid-1990s as well, so I remember the period just before it became UK Garage.

Which takes me to where I am these days. I loved UKG from about 1995-2000, but it all went a bit wrong after that, and I bought very little music between 2000-2001. Eventually I noticed that the sound was changing and realised that I was now listening to Grime/Sublow etc (2001-present).

Always found it hard to get into dubstep until the last 18 months or so (I definitely preferred grime), but looking back, I have a few of the early records, as well as dozens of UKG records by artists who are now regarded as originators of dubstep.

[prisoner]

i think people who slate off garage haven't heard much other then the tru steppers & the all the champagne nonsense music that got famous in 2000.

[showguns]

The first thing that came to mind when listening Berkane Sol 003 was how much it reminded me of Leftfield. Surprisingly, they haven't been mentioned before in this thread?

was thinking this same thing the other day listening to rythm and stealth.

i love the shit out of some UKG/2step. seen friends throw it into their dubstep mixes in the middle no less and that's when the crowd seems to really get into the dance (at least here in los angeles). little do the music snobs realise they're dancing to straight up UKG/2step shit they dissed a few years ago.

[corpsey]

I made up dubstep in 1986 but I decided it was too ahead of its time and got into He-Man instead.