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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by serox » Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:00 pm

rinseballs21 wrote:with all the massive amounts of people making music now....

when you send a finished product to a record label or artist....are they really going to take the time out to listen to your tune?????

or do they just bullshit cuz they get so many people sending them tracks.....

like just imagine how many people send shit to kode 9 and think their the next zomby.....
A lot of labels have artists lined up with up to 10 tunes ready to be released so you may not get far sending tracks off to the big boys.

Just send it off to one of a 100 of these new micky mouse labels that do absolutely zero for you and then feel mugged off 6 months later when they take back the costs for mastering your track and give you about £30 for total sales.
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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by roguedubs » Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:19 pm

We listen to everything that people send.

We don't respond or pay attention to emails that say "check out my myspace / soundcloud"

if an artist sends a proper demo with at least 3 tunes, contact info and something that resembles a bio, we listen to it

but the original poster has a very valid point...

with the democratization of the home studio, the volume of submissions have skyrocketed and the level of quality has dropped.

we (usually 3 of us) take about 2-3 hours every Friday night to listen to new submissions while enjoying some adult beverages...

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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by eops » Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:23 pm

roguedubs wrote:We listen to everything that people send.

We don't respond or pay attention to emails that say "check out my myspace / soundcloud"

if an artist sends a proper demo with at least 3 tunes, contact info and something that resembles a bio, we listen to it

but the original poster has a very valid point...

with the democratization of the home studio, the volume of submissions have skyrocketed and the level of quality has dropped.

we (usually 3 of us) take about 2-3 hours every Friday night to listen to new submissions while enjoying some adult beverages...

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Big ups to you and your crew ...

PS "check out my myspace / soundcloud" arf arf!
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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by Basic A » Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:28 pm

serox wrote: Just send it off to one of a 100 of these new micky mouse labels that do absolutely zero for you and then feel mugged off 6 months later when they take back the costs for mastering your track and give you about £30 for total sales.
God, if only we knew how to contact them. They aint exactly advertising, are they?
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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by serox » Wed Feb 03, 2010 2:41 pm

Basic A wrote:
God, if only we knew how to contact them. They aint exactly advertising, are they?
who, shit labels? why bother. I would rather stick my dick in a blender than hand over my track to a label that was setup last month by some kid in his bedroom.

The quality in music is desperate right now seeing as everyone with a computer is now a 'producer'. If they are not a producer they own a 'record company' that sells mp3s on whatever.com

You are better off sending your music to well known established company's that have something to offer you. Send them an email that is worded well with no spelling mistakes etc. You may want to ask them what is the best way to send the music to them before you you spam their inbox with files.
Don’t worry about people stealing an idea. If it’s original, you will have to ram it down their throats.

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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by deadly_habit » Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:49 pm

eops wrote:
roguedubs wrote:We listen to everything that people send.

We don't respond or pay attention to emails that say "check out my myspace / soundcloud"

if an artist sends a proper demo with at least 3 tunes, contact info and something that resembles a bio, we listen to it

but the original poster has a very valid point...

with the democratization of the home studio, the volume of submissions have skyrocketed and the level of quality has dropped.

we (usually 3 of us) take about 2-3 hours every Friday night to listen to new submissions while enjoying some adult beverages...

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Big ups to you and your crew ...

PS "check out my myspace / soundcloud" arf arf!
you missed the send part didn't you

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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by eops » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:01 pm

I knows I'm just kidding ... I doubt they would want my Shiz anyways :)
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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by Blue Patterns » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:33 pm

in the process of putting together some free netlabeljust to put out not only my own shit....but other shit that's probably better than mine that resides in the bizarro realm...ya feel me?

cuz I figure I can't be the only person making what was once referred to on here as "alternative dubstep" :lol: the fact that someone can identify it as that means that I'll be able to conduct massive manhunts for similar producers.

take shit into your own hands.

whether or not it's a mistake is something you'll find out....besides, whenever you feel frustrated your attitude should be "fuck all you muthafuckas" :wink:

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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by FSTZ » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:38 pm

^^ I hear you

but doing it properly is a lot of hard work and can get expensive

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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by stereotactic » Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:59 pm

Of course the labels/artist get sent a million and one tunes by people who think they are the next big thing. Thing is, some of them will be, and the artists/labels know that. That's why they would listen to every single one (though as I remember Blu Mar Ten saying once, if they get continually spammed with crap tracks from the same person, they end up just deleting them without bothering to listen).

It is of no benefit to them to 'bullshit'. They are in the scene for the same reason we all are... The love of it.

Think of it as panning for gold... You have to sift through a hell of a lot of crap, but keep looking, and eventually you will find something precious.
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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by FSTZ » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:16 pm

stereotactic wrote:Think of it as panning for gold... You have to sift through a hell of a lot of crap, but keep looking, and eventually you will find something precious.
well put

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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by MarcusO » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:18 am

eops wrote:
Basic A wrote:
You're right about DJ's making or breaking a song, but still... Skream is a horrible DJ ( no offence mate, I suck more than you probably :> ), yet his shows are nice.
Noones as terrible as Skream, I dont see what his malfunction is with it...

My mixes though, not that bad if you ask most people, I do what I can... check my posts on the mixes board sometime dude...

diggin the snippet. soooo chill, great vibes.
you should have heard Goldie back in the day - couldnt mix a drink

You should head down to The Roundhouse on 17th Feb and see if he's got any better: http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/london/event/?id=2.
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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by eops » Thu Feb 04, 2010 11:38 am

MarcusO wrote:
eops wrote:
Basic A wrote:
You're right about DJ's making or breaking a song, but still... Skream is a horrible DJ ( no offence mate, I suck more than you probably :> ), yet his shows are nice.
Noones as terrible as Skream, I dont see what his malfunction is with it...

My mixes though, not that bad if you ask most people, I do what I can... check my posts on the mixes board sometime dude...

diggin the snippet. soooo chill, great vibes.
you should have heard Goldie back in the day - couldnt mix a drink

You should head down to The Roundhouse on 17th Feb and see if he's got any better: http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/london/event/?id=2.
I know he has got better since I first saw him ... to be honest he would of had too :)

... Im glad he can do it now cos I have mucho respect for him.

Cheers for the heads up on that gig :t:
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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by darigan » Thu Feb 04, 2010 1:19 pm

rinseballs21 wrote: like just imagine how many people send shit to kode 9 and think their the next zomby.....
I was actually wondering about this, how many demos thou popular labels like hyperdub get?, So I went over to the hyperdub page and there was a link to a new drop box thing for send demos into hyperdub. Kode 9 says hes empties every week and if he doesn't get back to ya at the end of the week good luck with a different label. But there isn't a ridiculously amount of demos in there, he asks that you only send your 2 best tracks. It wouldn't take to long at all to go through it if you were emptying it every week. There is A LOT of producers, put how many really good ones is there?, I think if your tracks are good enough you will get recognized.
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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by pete_bubonic » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:02 pm

Few interesting points in here, so I'll try and be succint and to the point.

Demos:
As a label owner I did used to listen to every demo we got sent, whether it'd be people linking myspaces / soundclouds / sending tunes direct. Everything. All the music I'd listen to all day would be people's demos and when Soul Motive started to gather popularity, the volume of demos increased. I will quite openly admit I don't listen to every demo now. I actively don't listen to a fair few names now for a few reasons, such as the following:

* Having listened to a few things they sent, it's obvious they have never really thought about the sound we promote, we've never put out aggressive wobble bangers and we never will.
* A single link to a soundcloud page, where it's already been sent to well over a thousand people, if everyone already has it, why would we risk bare cash?
* Opening line on the email is, 'this tune's a massive one / banger / garans seller and deserves a release'. Cool, hit up Tempa then. We're not on an ego thing.

If someone sends a personal email, with contacts details, what sort of thing they're into and why they might be compatable to our label, with a link, soundcloud (prefered nowdays) or otherwise, to thier best tunes; then we are very likely going to respond to that person. It may take a while to get round to it, but it'll happen. And if it's not for us but it's good, I will recommend oneof the other 6/7 label owners that I speak to daily to check it out.

Who do I make music for?
Myself! Sure I'll go through emo moments of working on beats for ages and no one really giving a fuck about them, or no label being interested etc etc.I'll want that release, I'm competitive and want to achieve, so hell yeah, it means something to me. BUT, I've always been able to hear a difference in quality and sound in tunes I made for me and loved making and tunes I made for someone else to get into. And the the ones I make for me always turn out better tunes and I have loads more fun making them. So with reference to the OP, always makes tunes for yourself g, releases are a bonus, but if you ain't enjoying the process of making music, once you get stuck into releases you're going to lose faith real fast.

101 Labels out there...
I honestly believe the market is saturated right now, with low quality, poor production, sub par labels. A lot are digital only admittedly, but that doesn't mean all digital only labels are shit. The reasons the majority of labels are digital only in our genres is becasue they can't sell enough vinyl or raise the intial investment or secure a P&D deal. I really wish people would put more thought into thier labels and all the threads all over the forum about copycat producers and poor ratios of good music to bad music would be non existant.

The key is to do your research about labels, don't fling your demos to just anyone. Pick and choose whose going to work for you, who is going to suit your sound and if you're serious about this music ting, who can take you further. If the labels you love and respect aren't getting back to you, then maybe think long and hard about if you're putting your best foot forward. If you're convinced that you have a high quality and, most importantly, unique take, then maybe creating a label from scratch is the way. But you have to be 100% involved and ready to fucking work, otherwise join the legions of crap labels the forum and others whinge about!

Skream mixing

LOL, I remember hearing him play in Bristol in 2006, and he couldn't mix for shit. Admittedly he was absolutely out of his tree as well. Since then I have heard Skream play some absolutely brilliant sets, a couple of DMZ parties he was the highlight. I think he can mix and perform exceptionally well, when he's sober :D

Taiko Riddim / Unique sounds

A unique sound is the single most important thing to me in music, I don't give too much of a fuck about prouction values. You need your skills to be on a level so you can tell the story you want to with your music. But putting the likes of Noisia or the Neptunes to shame, ain't important to me. It's why I love Eastern Jam and Cockney Thug, no one could have made those tunes except C&S and Rusko. People will pay more attention to you if your sound is like no one elses, that's why Untold, James Blake, Peverelist, Pangaea etc are all the hot shit right now, thier tunes are unique.

Basic A, cheers for mentioning Taiko Riddim. Ironically it was made because I wanted to make drum patterns that Jammer, Mark One and Wiley had nailed. Wish I had mixed it down better tbh. But the files are long gone, 2 computers ago now!

Kejk, I honestly don't what you're listening to if you say you don't find Mala's tunes spectacular. Neverland, Stuck, Conference, Anti War Dub are all genre defining tunes. Classics people will be playing in ten/twenty/thirty years time. As for production quality, it can always be improved, it can always be worked on and refined. Originality, story telling and vibes are what counts.



Sorry for the lengthy opinionated post!
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Re: im starting to wonder

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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by Sharmaji » Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:14 pm

Forsaken w/ the win!
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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by nitz » Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:24 pm

AMEN
epic post, but very true.
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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by tripaddict » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:17 pm

do it for the love

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Re: im starting to wonder

Post by narcissus » Thu Feb 04, 2010 10:28 pm

:z: for the love and only for the love.

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