Anarchism

[alien pimp]

isms are like styles in music - limitations that won't respond the real needs

[OldHead]

great thread
its very interesting to read all the differing views of anarchism and how it could be implemented.
for me GA seems to resonate a lot, and yes i would stretch that to supporting Deep Ecology and the ELF in ideology. and some of those views are most def not part of anarchistic mainstream (at least not here in europe)

i do like how GA, John Zerzan and people like Derrick Jensen etc are starting to talk about "Anarchy" and not .....-anarchism (insert appropriate prefix). and have stopped arguing with the Bookchins of the world etc... and are just "doing it". Jensen is advocating all out terrorism in some instances!

i think anarchism very often gets bogged down in talking, and does very little doing, i think that is what alien pimp means with the isms, there are so many variants of anarchism that it can get baffling and become a very academic activity rather than one of regaining our freedom.

thats prob why i like the GA movement, its taking it literally back to the drawing board, forget farming, forget civilisation, forget numbers, forget language even!, re-wild, return to the true nature of yourself, unhindered and unfettered. Could i actually live like that tho? i doubt it

[firky]

Why would you want to revert back to hunter gathers and all the disease and suffering that went with it?

[OldHead]

im saying that to escape "control" these are things that also need to be dismantled.

im not saying i could do it, but i give maximum kudos to people who are advocating that as i see that as being probably the only way left to save the planet and all the life it contains (not just humans, who are the ones systematically destroying it)

but im branching off into deep ecology + primitivism now...

back to topic:

look into the spanish civil war and how the anarchists were a legitimate political force, probably one of the best examples of anarchism in action (european that is)

[esfandyar]

Have you heard of Fabian Tompsett? He did an awful lot of research into GAs and exposed some very dodgy ideologies, it'll be worth your while googling him.

I have not, I will take a look .

isms are like styles in music - limitations that won't respond the real needs

isms are definitely bad. I would not classify anarchy into classism or racism or agism or communism or capitalism... whatever ism you prefer . the beauty of anarchy is that its fruitful, progressive thinking that benefits it. mostly I see other methods of life as being stagnant or oppressive.

Could i actually live like that tho? i doubt it

hehe. GA critiques focus on industrialism as the main problem. I don't know what I would do without my computer to make my bloops and bleeps... its still an arguement I have with myself and my friends. its at what level do we abandon the idea of technology? but I do know life would be simple, easy, and there are plenty of things that would replace my computer.

Also, just gonna drop the link to a great blog Im a part of. Phoenix Class War Council is the group behind it. http://www.firesneverextinguished.blogspot.com is their address. check it out if you have time.

[alien pimp]

isms are like religions - exclude other isms. life is not like that, each issue with its own solution
sometimes i think not even realism answers all dilemmas

[WatchYourStep]

Sorry, Mr. Christhetiger, this is my new sig pic, as soon as I get a free moment!

[WatchYourStep]

But don't worry buddy, we can relieve the magic of your picture forever in this thread!

i like them cute indie fixed gear black bangs chick

[ruckus49]

cute little anarchists with their cute bandannas and casual earth tones!

i fully support social anarchy, though, and think that it is the most ideal way to organize society.

[nousd]

there were some beautiful sentiments in the Spanish Civil War
which is as close to power as anarchists have been
(having to ally with communists to fight monarchists)

good on you Coppola for getting arrested
need more people willing, however afraid
although I don't dig the happy snaps....

the best thing about anarchism
(& I agree with Pimp's cynicism about isms)
is that it sees human nature as admirable
i.e. leaderless, we make good decisions.

[tr0tsky]

The Kronstadt rebellion was an unsuccessful uprising of Anarchist sailors, soldiers and civilians led by Stepan Petrichenko against the government of the early Russian SFSR in March 1921 during a period of left-wing uprisings against the Bolsheviks.

The rebellion originated in Kronstadt, a naval fortress on Kotlin Island in the Gulf of Finland that served as the base of the Russian Baltic Fleet and as a guardpost for the approaches to Saint Petersburg, former Petrograd, 35 miles away.

The Bolshevik government began its attack on Kronstadt on March 7.[4] Some 60,000 troops under command of Mikhail Tukhachevsky took part in the attack.[5] The Petrograd workers were under martial law and could offer little support to Kronstadt.[6] There was a hurry to gain control of the fortress before the melting of the bay as it would have made it impregnable for the land army. Many Red Army units were forced onto the ice at gunpoint and some actually joined the rebellion.[4] On March 17, the Bolshevik forces finally entered the city of Kronstadt after having suffered over 10,000 fatalities.[5] On March 19, the Bolshevik forces took full control of the city of Kronstadt after having suffered fatalities ranging from 527 to 1,412 or higher if the toll from the first assault is included. The day after the surrender of Kronstadt, the Bolsheviks celebrated the fiftieth anniversary of the Paris Commune.

Although there are no reliable figures for the rebels' battle losses, historians estimate that 1,200 to 2,168 were executed in the days following the revolt, and a like number were jailed, many in the Solovki prison camp.[5] Official Soviet figures claim approximately 1,000 rebels were killed, 2,000 wounded, between 2,300 to 6,528 captured, and 6,000 to 8,000 defected to Finland, while the Red Army lost 527 killed and 3285 wounded.[7] Later on, 1,050 to 1,272 prisoners were freed. 750 to 1,486 sentenced to a five year forced labor. More fortunate rebels managed to escape to Finland, whose large number caused the first major refugee problem for the newly-independent state.[8] Later, the refugees in Finland were pardoned through an amnesty. Among them was Petrichenko himself, who lived in Finland and worked as a spy for the Soviet GPU.[8] He was arrested by the Finnish authorities in 1941 and was expelled to the Soviet Union in 1944. Some months after his return, he was arrested on espionage charges and sentenced to ten years in prison. He died in Vladimir prison in 1947.[9]

Although Red Army units suppressed the uprising, the general dissatisfaction with the state of affairs could not have been more forcefully expressed. Lenin himself stated that Kronstadt "lit up reality like a lightning flash". Against this background of discontent, Lenin concluded that world revolution was not imminent and proceeded in the spring of 1921 to replace the War Communism with his New Economic Policy.

You lose.

[ruckus49]

the best thing about anarchism
(& I agree with Pimp's cynicism about isms)
is that it sees human nature as admirable
i.e. leaderless, we make good decisions.

so true! christian guilt has formed a culture of people who think humans are inherently corrupt. yet ironically everyone believes in free will. just because society rewards throat stomping doesnt mean we should be ok with it.

[alien pimp]

i wish i had more often the chance of learning from shit like the one tr0tsky posted above
but here it's mostly about memes and expired cliches and the convictions built up with them are as accurate as this hawking representation


funny haha lfmao innit? and the wheels are spinning too, gotta be fi real!

[WatchYourStep]

i wish i had more often the chance of learning from shit like the one tr0tsky posted above
but here it's mostly about memes and expired cliches and the convictions built up with them are as accurate as this hawking representation


funny haha lfmao innit? and the wheels are spinning too, gotta be fi real!

LOL where the fuck did you find this??

[tr0tsky]

i wish i had more often the chance of learning from shit like the one tr0tsky posted above...

If you need to know anything about Russian history (or politics for that matter) I've got that shit on lock-down.


School of Eastern European Studies REPRESENT.

www.ssees.ucl.ac.uk

[nousd]

edit to elucidate:

here it's about memes
expired cliches
the convictions: as accurate
as this hawking representation

is that what you meant?

[nousd]

i wish i had more often the chance of learning from shit like the one tr0tsky posted above...

If you need to know anything about Russian history (or politics for that matter) I've got that shit on lock-down.


School of Eastern European Studies REPRESENT.

http://www.ssees.ucl.ac.uk

tragedy Trotsky
unbelievable to have been there

[tr0tsky]

Do you always talk in Shakespearean couplets?

"A good day, fine Sir. My thirst will be quenched, a pint of ale I request"

[deepfiend]

I enjoy reading Throeau and Tolstoy's works on anarchism, but purely on a romantic basis

[alien pimp]

edit to elucidate:

here it's about memes
expired cliches
the convictions: as accurate
as this hawking representation

is that what you meant?

if you think your rephrasing helps in anyway what i said, i'm gonna tell you just left out something important, for sure i don't need your contribution, try to not take my shit and change it to fit in your small drawers