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Project EX wrote:

jaydot wrote:So how do you go about getting the copyright? And it's only for experimental/ "personal" use right now anyway-

If you are not releasing it, thus making money from it, then you dont have to worry.

yeah i think i was getting the wrong end of the stick, but this sums it up!

Also @ jaydot, any released music, wether it be a cover or an arrangement, you will still be infringing copyright law. Hell, even music scores and track sheets in a studio session can be copyrighted!

Depone wrote:

Project EX wrote:

jaydot wrote:So how do you go about getting the copyright? And it's only for experimental/ "personal" use right now anyway-

If you are not releasing it, thus making money from it, then you dont have to worry.

yeah i think i was getting the wrong end of the stick, but this sums it up!

no worries, after rereading my post i see that i havent stated it very clearly in the first place

matthew_ wrote:

Depone wrote:

Project EX wrote:When its not released then u dont have to worry

Wrong, by just creating the track you own the copyright to it.

This is what my comment was responding to. You can remix as many tracks as you want for 'personal' use, but for me, that's kind of pointless. Soz if you misunderstood me.

Why is it pointless to make a track not for the money but the pleasure?

jaydot wrote:

matthew_ wrote:

Depone wrote:

Project EX wrote:When its not released then u dont have to worry

Wrong, by just creating the track you own the copyright to it.

This is what my comment was responding to. You can remix as many tracks as you want for 'personal' use, but for me, that's kind of pointless. Soz if you misunderstood me.

Why is it pointless to make a track not for the money but the pleasure?

I've just posted a blog on this about my myspace actually. But, it's a personal opinion, I feel if you're making music (not for the money) but for status and fame then you're more likely to up your standards and improve your skills and techniques because you'll constantly be comparing them to the best and trying to make them as good as and better than 'the best'. If you're just making music for yourself then you don't have as much of a reason to better yourself.

I disagree to an extent. If you're not a good enough producer to release, as I don't consider myself to be, then in the early days it's ALL about the pleasure and fame/recognition. Until you the best you''re good enough, you can still aspire to produce like the best.

Track in question is in the signature anyway, out of interest.

jaydot wrote:I disagree to an extent. If you're not a good enough producer to release, as I don't consider myself to be, then in the early days it's ALL about the pleasure and fame/recognition. Until you the best you''re good enough, you can still aspire to produce like the best.

Track in question is in the signature anyway, out of interest.

Just listened to your track ion your sig. Sorry to say but someone else beat you to the olive remix - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FLPShVKw8

Also, watch your levels, its really distorting, like hurts my ears...

Depone wrote:

jaydot wrote:I disagree to an extent. If you're not a good enough producer to release, as I don't consider myself to be, then in the early days it's ALL about the pleasure and fame/recognition. Until you the best you''re good enough, you can still aspire to produce like the best.

Track in question is in the signature anyway, out of interest.

Just listened to your track ion your sig. Sorry to say but someone else beat you to the olive remix - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FLPShVKw8

Also, watch your levels, its really distorting, like hurts my ears...

Ah I thought I'd made an "original" remix there.

jaydot wrote:

Depone wrote:

jaydot wrote:I disagree to an extent. If you're not a good enough producer to release, as I don't consider myself to be, then in the early days it's ALL about the pleasure and fame/recognition. Until you the best you''re good enough, you can still aspire to produce like the best.

Track in question is in the signature anyway, out of interest.

Just listened to your track ion your sig. Sorry to say but someone else beat you to the olive remix - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6FLPShVKw8

Also, watch your levels, its really distorting, like hurts my ears...

Ah I thought I'd made an "original" remix there.

Theres several actually whoops

Ah well, there's always next time. I'll remix the Thunderbirds tune or sumthing.

And I knew there was one but only after deciding to make one myself.

Basically, remixing and/or sampling anything copyrighted without giving the copyright owner money to never speak of it again is illegal. Considering, though, that you're working in a genre of music that probably isn't as accessible to the public as, say, an average hip-hop song, you probably won't have to worry about any cease-and-desist orders or lawsuits or anything. Oh well, copyright laws are for damn fools anyway. If one were to obey all laws against uncleared sampling, this would mean that they would have created all of their own sounds, which you can't expect any electronic music producer to do. Copyright laws as they are restrict artistic freedom; Paul's Boutique would have never been produced if these newer laws restricting sampling were in place in 1989. I mean, I know the original artists need to make a living somehow, but come on.

marshy wrote:

matthew_ wrote:What about nicking drum samples from someone elses song? I'm sure I heard rusko or someone say he nicks kick and snare samples from other records?

Still technically illegal, a sound recording is a sound recording, wether it's one kick drum or a whole piano line. It's just obviously a lot harder to prove, especially if you've manipulated the origional kick drum.

There's some fair use guidelines that apply to recordings shorter than 10 seconds or something.. Obviously you can't go around sampling the riff from Thriller and saying its only short but nobody will get sued for taking a snare, no matter how popular the resulting song.

stappard wrote:

marshy wrote:

matthew_ wrote:What about nicking drum samples from someone elses song? I'm sure I heard rusko or someone say he nicks kick and snare samples from other records?

Still technically illegal, a sound recording is a sound recording, wether it's one kick drum or a whole piano line. It's just obviously a lot harder to prove, especially if you've manipulated the origional kick drum.

There's some fair use guidelines that apply to recordings shorter than 10 seconds or something.. Obviously you can't go around sampling the riff from Thriller and saying its only short but nobody will get sued for taking a snare, no matter how popular the resulting song.

That 'fair use guideline' is a myth, it's still illegal!

stappard wrote: There's some fair use guidelines that apply to recordings shorter than 10 seconds or something.. Obviously you can't go around sampling the riff from Thriller and saying its only short but nobody will get sued for taking a snare, no matter how popular the resulting song.

This couldn't be further form the truth. Under UK copyright law, any sample used needs copyright paid on it, "regardless of the recognizability or length of the sample".

Which means if you sampled an 808 kick from someone else, cut 5ms out of it, looped it, reversed it, distorted it, put a 24db LP on it and synced your filter to the lfo and synced your lfo to an lfo...

...you'd still have to pay copyright if the person you'd sampled found out what you'd done.

Hope this is the write thread for this question...

I have a track I would like to send to more experienced producers for advice. Its a really shitty production, but reckon the idea is sound and could be made into something half decent, so is it worth registering it under a copyright before I send it or is there another way of protecting it ?

I've heard of the "poor mans copyright" and things that people do when they put tune on their myspace players, but is there any thing like a signature I could put on the file.

I use reason 4.0 if that makes any difference.

Cheers

( Am I being too paranoid/ precious?)

You have copyright when the song is fixed in a tangible medium of expression.

And yes, you are being way too paranoid. People will not only not steal your music, they won't even listen to it.

Enjoy.

lol thanks. That's reassuringly disheartening.

nowaysj wrote:And yes, you are being way too paranoid. People will not only not steal your music, they won't even listen to it.

Lol I'm actually tempted to sig this!

nowaysj wrote:You have copyright when the song is fixed in a tangible medium of expression.

And yes, you are being way too paranoid. People will not only not steal your music, they won't even listen to it.

Enjoy.

lol offering a nice taste of reality.