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Re: Sending demos

Post by legend4ry » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:42 pm

serox wrote:
legend4ry wrote:
Like you? :roll:
Its not about what I have made. I am not saying I have made the banging shit or anything like that. I am just disappointing that some people dont even want demos.
I just don't get why you'd limit yourself to one format.

If you wanna play your tunes out of vinyl then cut a plate. You can still get the tune out there through other mediums and it seems to be mainly only UK heads still keeping the vinyl tradition 100% (I am one of those people).

I am speakin' from a business point of view, how to market yourself as a new artist - digitals easier to get a look in and easier to get signed and if no one wants it in the digital world then surely no one would buy it on vinyl - call it an experiment.
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Re: Sending demos

Post by kidlogic » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:45 pm

Trust me man, I was a vinyl junky for years... cost me a relationship and 10s of thousands of dollars (by my estimate)... but the industry is changing. To only release on vinyl in this day and age is a mistake, unless you really only care about getting your stuff out to a very small portion of the record buying public.

I was a buyer for dubstep and drum and bass at a record store here in Los Angeles for just over 2 years. When I started, I had 5 or 6 distrubutors to choose to order from. Of those 5 or 6, only 3 carried dnb and at first none carried dubstep (this was in 06). When I quit, there were 2 distros left that had not gone out of business or switched to other goods (CDs, gear, clothing). When I moved to LA in '03 there were over 20 record stores that stocked vinyl. There are currently 3 left. Tower and Virgin have gone out of business in the states, not to mention EVERY mall based music store I can think of (Sam Goody, FYE, etc). Other than Amoeba Records, Grooveriders Records and Dr. Freecloud's in LA, the only place you can buy vinyl are resale shops, thrift shops and fucking Hot Topic (and only horrible emo and punk re-issues there). Thats in LA, the place where most major record labels are based in the US. Its depressingly sad. Its not just LA either...

No matter how well its doing in the UK, thats greatly reduced the demand for vinyl. Decreased demand leads to decreased supply. Decreased supply means less plants pressing vinyl, less plants pressing vinyl means the ones that still are are getting more work than they can handle. That greatly increases the amount of time its gonna take for each label to get their stuff in and out of the pressing plants. That creates a backlog of forthcoming releases on each label, so when you send your stuff to them, they already have 10-15 releases planned on their schedule.

So lets say, best case scenario - you send them something, they listen, like it and decide to release it - its gonna take a year and a half minimum for your stuff to finally come out on test press, with another few months to see how it does, before finally coming out two years after they first listen, which is presumably at least a few months after you sat down to write it. So something you wrote today probably wont see store shelves till 2012. Think about dubstep you were listening to two years ago, and what you were writing two years ago - now think of what you'll be writing in two years and how much more you're probably gonna want that released than the stuff you're writing now. With how vinyl has gone in the last few years, who knows how much is even gonna sell over the next couple years and how many plants are gonna make it that long...

Or... you can release it digitally and have it in the stores in two weeks, build up a reputation through sales and have a bit more clout to get on those labels that release vinyl, and if you're doing well, maybe get bumped up the release schedule a bit since you've been a proven seller.

The large backlog is also a reason why you're not getting many responses. I forget where I saw it, but there was a great thread on getting labels to listen to your stuff and how to go about it. In the post someone mentioned how there are labels who wont write you back even if they love your stuff and play it around the office if their release schedule is too backed up. Sometimes they dig your ideas, style, etc, but dont think what you sent is up to par, so they wait for you to send them something that is - but they arent gonna tell you that, because they want to see if you're gonna stick with it and keep sending them stuff, and if you progress as you do. The author of the post mentioned a friend who had been sending stuff to the same label for 3 years before they finally contacted him back about releasing his stuff.

Ive looked into pressing a run of vinyl myself as well, and to be honest, although the run itself isnt that expensive, shipping it to the distro can be - if you think postage on an order from Chemical is bad, think about sending 500 to a distro. Not to mention the promo, sending out test presses, dealing with invoices...

You're only hurting yourself by sticking to the vinyl only thing in my opinion, no matter how admirable it may be. Even if you only use it to build your way up to vinyl releases, it will only help to release digi as well and especially at first.

Of course, when it all comes down to it, its about what you want as an artist. Im not saying you have to release digi to be competitive or successfull... This is just stuff Ive learned, experienced and heard over the years in regards to this topic, and Im in no way an expert or label head.

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Re: Sending demos

Post by legend4ry » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:48 pm

^ basically said what I have been trying to say but I can't be bothered to waste my energy.
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Re: Sending demos

Post by serox » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:50 pm

legend4ry wrote:
I just don't get why you'd limit yourself to one format.

If you wanna play your tunes out of vinyl then cut a plate. You can still get the tune out there through other mediums and it seems to be mainly only UK heads still keeping the vinyl tradition 100% (I am one of those people).

I am speakin' from a business point of view, how to market yourself as a new artist - digitals easier to get a look in and easier to get signed and if no one wants it in the digital world then surely no one would buy it on vinyl - call it an experiment.
Its about art to me. Call me a dinosaur if you like but I dislike digital format music! I would prefer a classic car to a new one also, is that a problem?

I use CDs for my hot cups of tea. I clean my records, I look after them. They all have protective sleeves, I like holding them, I like how they look, how they sound! my records are rare and hard to replace, they have serious financial value and also personal value. I have traveled from London to a market in Rotterdam to buy a piece of wax.

I have kindly turned down a digital release I am not interested at the moment. First release has to be on wax and thats it.
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Post by thierry_le_dj » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:53 pm

yeaaa i've email a few labels couple of 320's but never get a reply some days i just don't care anymore some days i just get the shits and make all my track's on my soundcloud free download...even i put alot of time into it...

what's better to make track's free download able on scloud or wait for a label to sign you up?

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Re: Sending demos

Post by kidlogic » Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:56 pm

thierry_le_dj wrote:yeaaa i've email a few labels couple of 320's but never get a reply some days i just don't care anymore some days i just get the shits and make all my track's on my soundcloud free download...even i put alot of time into it...

what's better to make track's free download able on scloud or wait for a label to sign you up?

Jury's still out on that one IMO... been trying to figure it out myself. I would say keep them from being a free download, but send them out to as many people as you think will play them, as well as sending them to labels. Getting played by other DJs is gonna help you a ton.

That said, I gave out an EP at the begining of the year thats been doing quite well on Bandcamp, download wise.

Ive heard the arguement from both sides, and both sides have good points. Its a new market for music right now, the rules are still being worked out.

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Re: Sending demos

Post by kidlogic » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:00 pm

serox wrote:
legend4ry wrote:
I just don't get why you'd limit yourself to one format.

If you wanna play your tunes out of vinyl then cut a plate. You can still get the tune out there through other mediums and it seems to be mainly only UK heads still keeping the vinyl tradition 100% (I am one of those people).

I am speakin' from a business point of view, how to market yourself as a new artist - digitals easier to get a look in and easier to get signed and if no one wants it in the digital world then surely no one would buy it on vinyl - call it an experiment.
Its about art to me. Call me a dinosaur if you like but I dislike digital format music! I would prefer a classic car to a new one also, is that a problem?

I use CDs for my hot cups of tea. I clean my records, I look after them. They all have protective sleeves, I like holding them, I like how they look, how they sound! my records are rare and hard to replace, they have serious financial value and also personal value. I have traveled from London to a market in Rotterdam to buy a piece of wax.

I have kindly turned down a digital release I am not interested at the moment. First release has to be on wax and thats it.
Good luck to you then, but dont get frustrated when it takes a while. It will, even if you get signed tomorrow.

Dont get me wrong, I feel you... but just know what you're up against shooting for that goal.
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Re: Sending demos

Post by serox » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:00 pm

kidlogic wrote:Trust me man, I was a vinyl junky for years... cost me a relationship and 10s of thousands of dollars (by my estimate)... but the industry is changing. To only release on vinyl in this day and age is a mistake, unless you really only care about getting your stuff out to a very small portion of the record buying public.

I was a buyer for dubstep and drum and bass at a record store here in Los Angeles for just over 2 years. When I started, I had 5 or 6 distrubutors to choose to order from. Of those 5 or 6, only 3 carried dnb and at first none carried dubstep (this was in 06). When I quit, there were 2 distros left that had not gone out of business or switched to other goods (CDs, gear, clothing). When I moved to LA in '03 there were over 20 record stores that stocked vinyl. There are currently 3 left. Tower and Virgin have gone out of business in the states, not to mention EVERY mall based music store I can think of (Sam Goody, FYE, etc). Other than Amoeba Records, Grooveriders Records and Dr. Freecloud's in LA, the only place you can buy vinyl are resale shops, thrift shops and fucking Hot Topic (and only horrible emo and punk re-issues there). Thats in LA, the place where most major record labels are based in the US. Its depressingly sad. Its not just LA either...

No matter how well its doing in the UK, thats greatly reduced the demand for vinyl. Decreased demand leads to decreased supply. Decreased supply means less plants pressing vinyl, less plants pressing vinyl means the ones that still are are getting more work than they can handle. That greatly increases the amount of time its gonna take for each label to get their stuff in and out of the pressing plants. That creates a backlog of forthcoming releases on each label, so when you send your stuff to them, they already have 10-15 releases planned on their schedule.

So lets say, best case scenario - you send them something, they listen, like it and decide to release it - its gonna take a year and a half minimum for your stuff to finally come out on test press, with another few months to see how it does, before finally coming out two years after they first listen, which is presumably at least a few months after you sat down to write it. So something you wrote today probably wont see store shelves till 2012. Think about dubstep you were listening to two years ago, and what you were writing two years ago - now think of what you'll be writing in two years and how much more you're probably gonna want that released than the stuff you're writing now. With how vinyl has gone in the last few years, who knows how much is even gonna sell over the next couple years and how many plants are gonna make it that long...

Or... you can release it digitally and have it in the stores in two weeks, build up a reputation through sales and have a bit more clout to get on those labels that release vinyl, and if you're doing well, maybe get bumped up the release schedule a bit since you've been a proven seller.

The large backlog is also a reason why you're not getting many responses. I forget where I saw it, but there was a great thread on getting labels to listen to your stuff and how to go about it. In the post someone mentioned how there are labels who wont write you back even if they love your stuff and play it around the office if their release schedule is too backed up. Sometimes they dig your ideas, style, etc, but dont think what you sent is up to par, so they wait for you to send them something that is - but they arent gonna tell you that, because they want to see if you're gonna stick with it and keep sending them stuff, and if you progress as you do. The author of the post mentioned a friend who had been sending stuff to the same label for 3 years before they finally contacted him back about releasing his stuff.

Ive looked into pressing a run of vinyl myself as well, and to be honest, although the run itself isnt that expensive, shipping it to the distro can be - if you think postage on an order from Chemical is bad, think about sending 500 to a distro. Not to mention the promo, sending out test presses, dealing with invoices...

You're only hurting yourself by sticking to the vinyl only thing in my opinion, no matter how admirable it may be. Even if you only use it to build your way up to vinyl releases, it will only help to release digi as well and especially at first.

Of course, when it all comes down to it, its about what you want as an artist. Im not saying you have to release digi to be competitive or successfull... This is just stuff Ive learned, experienced and heard over the years in regards to this topic, and Im in no way an expert or label head.
Ok well my first release has to be on wax, I will do it if needed myself, its no problem. I have friends who run distribution and I also know people who are still getting records pressed. I dont personally know anyone who is mixing CD's, everyone is on wax and hates CDs! I also dont carer about how many units are sold, its not about money for me at all, I have a good career as it is. Labels may be bothered about units tho so they have to make sure what they release is good. But how can know they if something is good or not without even listening????

Same with artists I have contacted who said they are not interested even before I have sent them something?:) do they really have that much of quality music sitting around they can miss out on potential quality? not saying my stuff is quality, but 1 or 2 dont even want to find out?!

vynyl has been dead in the states for a long time. I remember buying records from Frankiebones years ago and him saying that it was dead even back then before the closure of Nu Groove (rip). It is not dead here at all when you look at all genres. There is a horrible trend of CDs in Dubstep becuase everyone is a producer now days and releasing music on digital labels who will release anything you give them. Hence why quality has gone down hill.
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Re: Sending demos

Post by serox » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:12 pm

thierry_le_dj wrote:yeaaa i've email a few labels couple of 320's but never get a reply some days i just don't care anymore some days i just get the shits and make all my track's on my soundcloud free download...even i put alot of time into it...

what's better to make track's free download able on scloud or wait for a label to sign you up?
Yhe thats fair enough. But I have not sent them something and not heard nothing back.

I have asked in writing about sending them something and they are not interested in new artists! they have heard fuck all. I have already said, this was only a couple of DJs and 2 labels.
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Post by thierry_le_dj » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:18 pm

kidlogic wrote:
thierry_le_dj wrote:yeaaa i've email a few labels couple of 320's but never get a reply some days i just don't care anymore some days i just get the shits and make all my track's on my soundcloud free download...even i put alot of time into it...

what's better to make track's free download able on scloud or wait for a label to sign you up?

Jury's still out on that one IMO... been trying to figure it out myself. I would say keep them from being a free download, but send them out to as many people as you think will play them, as well as sending them to labels. Getting played by other DJs is gonna help you a ton.

That said, I gave out an EP at the begining of the year thats been doing quite well on Bandcamp, download wise.

Ive heard the arguement from both sides, and both sides have good points. Its a new market for music right now, the rules are still being worked out.

yeaa thanks but only reason i make free download on scloud is beacause the people that has a scloud accounts are mostly dj's/producres also kinda save's me chasing them around to send out a 320...

last time i made my track's free download on scloud in 1 week 2 of my track's appeared in a few dj's mix's and i also appeared in a blog also some days i rather some dj's to have fun playing the tracks then it sitting in my folders

but i've kinda given up on labels but will see

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Re: Sending demos

Post by serox » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:20 pm

thierry_le_dj wrote:
kidlogic wrote:
thierry_le_dj wrote:yeaaa i've email a few labels couple of 320's but never get a reply some days i just don't care anymore some days i just get the shits and make all my track's on my soundcloud free download...even i put alot of time into it...

what's better to make track's free download able on scloud or wait for a label to sign you up?

Jury's still out on that one IMO... been trying to figure it out myself. I would say keep them from being a free download, but send them out to as many people as you think will play them, as well as sending them to labels. Getting played by other DJs is gonna help you a ton.

That said, I gave out an EP at the begining of the year thats been doing quite well on Bandcamp, download wise.

Ive heard the arguement from both sides, and both sides have good points. Its a new market for music right now, the rules are still being worked out.

yeaa thanks but only reason i make free download on scloud is beacause the people that has a scloud accounts are mostly dj's/producres also kinda save's me chasing them around to send out a 320...

last time i made my track's free download on scloud in 1 week 2 of my track's appeared in a few dj's mix's and i also appeared in a blog also some days i rather some dj's to have fun playing the tracks then it sitting in my folders

but i've kinda given up on labels but will see
I did think about giving stuff away for free but I have been told by too many people not too. They said if you give your music away for free it will devalue it.
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Post by Depone » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:22 pm

You gotta realize, as legendary said that labels are plagued each end every day with shit dubstep. Its true, they mihgt not have the time to listen to every demo, after all they are running a label, not sitting at home on DSF reading posts.
If your music is good enough for the label, then eventually they will notice. Time and patience.

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Re: Sending demos

Post by serox » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:24 pm

My rant is not about people not feeling what I am making (they have not heard it!) its more to do with what the scene is like. Some people are just swamped with music they dont have the time or care about new artists. I cannot get my head around someone who is interested in music either playing or releasing on a label but does not have time or care to listen to new artists?!

If I sent music to someone and I dont hear back, they dont like it, its not there thing thats cool.
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Re: Sending demos

Post by matthew_ » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:24 pm

serox wrote:As always though, in any business, it's not what you know, it's who you blow.
I'm writing this one down.

Edit: If you want your first release to be on vinyl, then I'd suggest you do it yourself and get it out of the way. Digital releases cost the label relatively nothing, so if you dont sell then it's not the end of the world. Vinyl costs money to make, ship, and store and that's before you've sold one copy. Why would a label be willing to spend money on you on your first release if there is a high risk they wont get it back? From a business point of view, apart from a bit of scene rep and nostalgia, that seems pretty pointless to me. The music industry is on it's arse as it is, and digital releases have got a good potential profit and are easily accessible to the audience. I'm not saying that I want (or that people will) stop releasing vinyl records, I'm just suggesting you put your business hat on. Print your own vinyl, then it's out of the way and you'll be happy to release on digital?
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Post by thierry_le_dj » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:25 pm

http://dubstepdirectory.com/labels.html
try a few of these!
i've sent a few to some of those..

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Re: Sending demos

Post by serox » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:41 pm

thierry_le_dj wrote:http://dubstepdirectory.com/labels.html
try a few of these!
i've sent a few to some of those..
Thanks. I will start going thru smaller labels soon. To be fair I did go for the best, I aimed high but thats just me.

I would rather they listened and said nothing or said they didnt like it, come back later. But to say they are not even interested in hearing new artists was a surprise but I guess thats how the business is for them. They must have so much waiting to be released.
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Re: Sending demos

Post by serox » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:43 pm

matthew_ wrote:
serox wrote:As always though, in any business, it's not what you know, it's who you blow.
I'm writing this one down.
:D
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Post by matthew_ » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:45 pm

To be fair I did go for the best, I aimed high but thats just me.
Nowt wrong with this mate, aiming high is good. It's confident and ballsy. If you start at the top and work down, you'll never be signed to a small label thinking "I wonder if any majors would have picked it up".

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Post by kidlogic » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:49 pm

serox wrote:
kidlogic wrote:Trust me man, I was a vinyl junky for years... cost me a relationship and 10s of thousands of dollars (by my estimate)... but the industry is changing. To only release on vinyl in this day and age is a mistake, unless you really only care about getting your stuff out to a very small portion of the record buying public.

I was a buyer for dubstep and drum and bass at a record store here in Los Angeles for just over 2 years. When I started, I had 5 or 6 distrubutors to choose to order from. Of those 5 or 6, only 3 carried dnb and at first none carried dubstep (this was in 06). When I quit, there were 2 distros left that had not gone out of business or switched to other goods (CDs, gear, clothing). When I moved to LA in '03 there were over 20 record stores that stocked vinyl. There are currently 3 left. Tower and Virgin have gone out of business in the states, not to mention EVERY mall based music store I can think of (Sam Goody, FYE, etc). Other than Amoeba Records, Grooveriders Records and Dr. Freecloud's in LA, the only place you can buy vinyl are resale shops, thrift shops and fucking Hot Topic (and only horrible emo and punk re-issues there). Thats in LA, the place where most major record labels are based in the US. Its depressingly sad. Its not just LA either...

No matter how well its doing in the UK, thats greatly reduced the demand for vinyl. Decreased demand leads to decreased supply. Decreased supply means less plants pressing vinyl, less plants pressing vinyl means the ones that still are are getting more work than they can handle. That greatly increases the amount of time its gonna take for each label to get their stuff in and out of the pressing plants. That creates a backlog of forthcoming releases on each label, so when you send your stuff to them, they already have 10-15 releases planned on their schedule.

So lets say, best case scenario - you send them something, they listen, like it and decide to release it - its gonna take a year and a half minimum for your stuff to finally come out on test press, with another few months to see how it does, before finally coming out two years after they first listen, which is presumably at least a few months after you sat down to write it. So something you wrote today probably wont see store shelves till 2012. Think about dubstep you were listening to two years ago, and what you were writing two years ago - now think of what you'll be writing in two years and how much more you're probably gonna want that released than the stuff you're writing now. With how vinyl has gone in the last few years, who knows how much is even gonna sell over the next couple years and how many plants are gonna make it that long...

Or... you can release it digitally and have it in the stores in two weeks, build up a reputation through sales and have a bit more clout to get on those labels that release vinyl, and if you're doing well, maybe get bumped up the release schedule a bit since you've been a proven seller.

The large backlog is also a reason why you're not getting many responses. I forget where I saw it, but there was a great thread on getting labels to listen to your stuff and how to go about it. In the post someone mentioned how there are labels who wont write you back even if they love your stuff and play it around the office if their release schedule is too backed up. Sometimes they dig your ideas, style, etc, but dont think what you sent is up to par, so they wait for you to send them something that is - but they arent gonna tell you that, because they want to see if you're gonna stick with it and keep sending them stuff, and if you progress as you do. The author of the post mentioned a friend who had been sending stuff to the same label for 3 years before they finally contacted him back about releasing his stuff.

Ive looked into pressing a run of vinyl myself as well, and to be honest, although the run itself isnt that expensive, shipping it to the distro can be - if you think postage on an order from Chemical is bad, think about sending 500 to a distro. Not to mention the promo, sending out test presses, dealing with invoices...

You're only hurting yourself by sticking to the vinyl only thing in my opinion, no matter how admirable it may be. Even if you only use it to build your way up to vinyl releases, it will only help to release digi as well and especially at first.

Of course, when it all comes down to it, its about what you want as an artist. Im not saying you have to release digi to be competitive or successfull... This is just stuff Ive learned, experienced and heard over the years in regards to this topic, and Im in no way an expert or label head.
Ok well my first release has to be on wax, I will do it if needed myself, its no problem. I have friends who run distribution and I also know people who are still getting records pressed. I dont personally know anyone who is mixing CD's, everyone is on wax and hates CDs! I also dont carer about how many units are sold, its not about money for me at all, I have a good career as it is. Labels may be bothered about units tho so they have to make sure what they release is good. But how can know they if something is good or not without even listening????

Same with artists I have contacted who said they are not interested even before I have sent them something?:) do they really have that much of quality music sitting around they can miss out on potential quality? not saying my stuff is quality, but 1 or 2 dont even want to find out?!

vynyl has been dead in the states for a long time. I remember buying records from Frankiebones years ago and him saying that it was dead even back then before the closure of Nu Groove (rip). It is not dead here at all when you look at all genres. There is a horrible trend of CDs in Dubstep becuase everyone is a producer now days and releasing music on digital labels who will release anything you give them. Hence why quality has gone down hill.
Well, take what you hear from Frankie Bones with a grain of salt lol... who remembers the epic myspace forum threads where he claimed to have invented Jungle?

Vinyl didnt really die in the states yet, theres still plenty of DJs paying rediculous prices for shipping so they can play vinyl. I just prefer my tunes a little fresher than that - like a day or two old instead of a year.

Id just say make sure you do your research before sinking a ton of money into a stack of vinyl that may or may not sell. I dont know about you, but $1800USD for a run of 500 vinyls is more than Im willing to invest to be able to hold my first release in my hands.

Dont blame the quality control issues on the medium though, its the fault of inexperienced label owners more than the fact that the file is digital. Theres some major quality control issues with vinyl too - when I was buying for the store, Id only buy half of the releases that were available because they either sounded identical to other tunes or the pressing was bad or because it sounded dated compared to what was being played in the club. Digital doesnt automatically = bad. Thats not to say there isnt some crap out there in the digital stores... just saying theres some crap in the record bins too.

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Re: Sending demos

Post by serox » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:52 pm

matthew_ wrote:
To be fair I did go for the best, I aimed high but thats just me.
Nowt wrong with this mate, aiming high is good. It's confident and ballsy. If you start at the top and work down, you'll never be signed to a small label thinking "I wonder if any majors would have picked it up".
It just makes sense to me to do it this way. I have done everything in life this way. Everyone is capable of achieving what they want if they try hard enough.
Don’t worry about people stealing an idea. If it’s original, you will have to ram it down their throats.

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