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[grooki]

A few years ago I thought I had hit the wall of FL possibilities, and tried switching to Cubase. (This was largely because of dickheads who would go "Fruity Loops is for noobs, children, insert dumb comment here." As I now know they usually had no idea what they were talking about). I had no one to show me where everything was and how it worked (I also self taught myself FL), and after years of being very comfortable with FL, I felt like my hands were tied behind my back. It was soooo frustrating! I realised that I would have to make a comitment of about a year or more to get my workflow back up to where it was, and I thought "I really make music because I enjoy it" and so decided to go back to FL.

As it turned out I had shit loads more to learn in FL, and my productions have got better because my knowledge has grown - of both FL and electronic production in general. When I weigh up the effort of relearning something which I am so thoroughly comforatable with, compared to just researching a new technique I could use in FL to get this sound or that sound, the choice is obvious to me.

[wayoftheworld]

i find Fl rely un-intuitive. i tried it for like a week and hated it. Its got a real backwards way of working. Clips??? patterns? what the f is up with that!

after using ableton for a year or so i find FL to be sorta backwards and frustrating as well. i realize it works well for some, and i still think pretty highly of the program in general, but there's really no comparison to the flexibility and ease of abletons workflow.

@depone, sorry for my ignorance but does logic not use clips or patterns? kinda hard imagining a daw not using them.

[shaneynclan]

i started with FL in version 4 a long time ago.
i attempted to switch in 2006, and it has taken me like 2 years to adjust.
keep in mind though, I didn't really know a whole lot about anything really coming from FL. it was hard to switch in the beginning, but after you spend many hours it becomes second nature.
i can't imagine going back now.
the advantage too is now it's easier for me to use other daws now that I know cubase. fruity has it's own odd way of doing things. not to say odd is bad by any means, but it's vastly different from logic or protools.
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[LFpHUNK]

im gonna guess that you dont have the sense to try it out and see for yourself. that's probably gonna get you the most accurate answer.

OH WAIT, i forgot, asking ppl on the internet is actually most accurate way and provides the best source of information. damn, im an IDIOT! what the fuck was i thinking lol

[Depone]

i find Fl rely un-intuitive. i tried it for like a week and hated it. Its got a real backwards way of working. Clips??? patterns? what the f is up with that!

after using ableton for a year or so i find FL to be sorta backwards and frustrating as well. i realize it works well for some, and i still think pretty highly of the program in general, but there's really no comparison to the flexibility and ease of abletons workflow.

@depone, sorry for my ignorance but does logic not use clips or patterns? kinda hard imagining a daw not using them.

Haha your sorta right, they are called regions tho. I was just confused, that you paste patterns with a friggin brush into a lane, that doesn't correspond to the fader in the mixer etc...
Yeah it works for some... I just cant jive with it.

[nowaysj]

I started with logic, went to fruity for many years, have dabbled with reason, cubase and live. Live and reason seem to have the most unique workflows. I've never really figured out what was so different between logic/cubase/fruity in terms of the workflow.

I can get along with having the content of a lane being linked to a mixer channel, but I don't need that at all. I think if you think about it for a while, it may dawn on you, why should the content of a lane be tied to a mixer channel?

When I'm working in a mix of automation, audio and midi data, being free to place what I want where I want it is so facile. When I work in something like cubase, I'm always frustrated that this track is up there, and I want to see it next to these other tracks, and if I move it, one it moves the mixer channel (which is a mind fuck, imagine an desk where the mixer channels moved around on you... fucking hell) but then also earlier in your track you wanted to work this one track next to this other track, and so you've got to move the lane back over there when you're working on that part, ad infinitum. Fruity obviates all this, just put whatever you want wherever you want.

[Depone]

I started with logic, went to fruity for many years, have dabbled with reason, cubase and live. Live and reason seem to have the most unique workflows. I've never really figured out what was so different between logic/cubase/fruity in terms of the workflow.

I can get along with having the content of a lane being linked to a mixer channel, but I don't need that at all. I think if you think about it for a while, it may dawn on you, why should the content of a lane be tied to a mixer channel?

When I'm working in a mix of automation, audio and midi data, being free to place what I want where I want it is so facile. When I work in something like cubase, I'm always frustrated that this track is up there, and I want to see it next to these other tracks, and if I move it, one it moves the mixer channel (which is a mind fuck, imagine an desk where the mixer channels moved around on you... fucking hell) but then also earlier in your track you wanted to work this one track next to this other track, and so you've got to move the lane back over there when you're working on that part, ad infinitum. Fruity obviates all this, just put whatever you want wherever you want.

yeah i can definitely see your point man. But in logic, if you move a channel on the arrange page, it doesn't move on the mixer, which is nice After thinking a while i guess the reason that the clips/patterns thing threw me was because i moved from reason 2.5 to logic quite early on, and they both work in a similar way. Im used to traditional sound workflow, ala hardware mixers with patch bays etc... and fruity just doesn't give me that tactile intuitive feel logic or others do.

[HicksPhonix]

i think reasons drum sequencer might be a little bit of a turn off if you're coming from FL, which admittedly has one of the best sequencers around. can't speak for logic but ableton was pretty easy to get into and didnt take long at all to learn its workflow. its good like that. its actually made fruity seem rather backwards and annoying now.

I used reason for a long time.. There's absolutely NO difference in the sequencer part. I know people like to use the built in drum sequenser of redrum but that's asking for robotic shit.
So i have to correct you here, as long as you use the reason sequencer it's hardly different from other sequencers. I use cubase 5 now btw.

The things you mention about if you will get to keep using the knowledge of eq and mixers.. Well what you think?
Ofcourse! In the end EQ =EQ and a mixer is a mixer. Some eq's and mixer do have different outlays and functions though.
But that's a thing to get used to. Altough i have to admit i wish i had a mac and Logic. Cos Logic's mixer looks like heaven
to me!