Re: Should drugs be legal?
Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2010 10:26 pm
Not in this day or age. People are too stupid, especially young people.
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Dead Rats wrote:Not in this day or age. People are too stupid, especially young people.
DRTY wrote:no.
There's too many idiots about, look at all the problems alcohol causes.
This really.firky wrote:No, I see everyday at work the worst of drugs; instead they should be decriminalised for users instead and dealers should face criminal charges.
Decriminalisation can be just as bad or worse though. You might not do jail time, but you are branded a criminal by the government. Depending on the countries particular laws, usually it means it goes on your permanent record, and follows you around for life. You can also forget about any sort of government benefits, student loans, a decent job, or similar things.Motorway to Roswell wrote:This really.firky wrote:No, I see everyday at work the worst of drugs; instead they should be decriminalised for users instead and dealers should face criminal charges.
When I'm a pensioner I really fucking hope some decent drugs are legal. I'm not sitting around watching our generation's equivalent of Judy Finnigan without a massive cunting bifter on.kay wrote:I'm not sure it's the pensioners who are bothered to be honest.
There are some utopian views being expressed in this thread but the reality is that the general populace of this country don't consume anything in moderation. The way alcohol is consumed is ridiculous despite the widespread education of the negative consequences.Dead Rats wrote:Not in this day or age. People are too stupid, especially young people.
Couldn't that be argued to be because of our "ashamed" attitude towards drink and drugs? We seem to have a national bias towards abstinence followed by massive binges where we essentially swing from "Ooh, I'm such a healthy bastard" to "FUCK IT, I want to feel SHIT tomorrow!" in the space of a couple of pints.danoldboy wrote:There are some utopian views being expressed in this thread but the reality is that the general populace of this country don't consume anything in moderation. The way alcohol is consumed is ridiculous despite the widespread education of the negative consequences.Dead Rats wrote:Not in this day or age. People are too stupid, especially young people.
Look at the Methadrone abuse at the moment, it's being treated like sherbert.
danoldboy wrote: There are some utopian views being expressed in this thread but the reality is that the general populace of this country don't consume anything in moderation. The way alcohol is consumed is ridiculous despite the widespread education of the negative consequences.
Look at the Methadrone abuse at the moment, it's being treated like sherbert.
That's a fair point, does that shame come from knowing that these actions are harmful to ourselves and yet still continuing with them anyway? In which case to what extent are the authorities responsible for the choices people make?magma wrote:Couldn't that be argued to be because of our "ashamed" attitude towards drink and drugs? We seem to have a national bias towards abstinence followed by massive binges where we essentially swing from "Ooh, I'm such a healthy bastard" to "FUCK IT, I want to feel SHIT tomorrow!" in the space of a couple of pints.danoldboy wrote:There are some utopian views being expressed in this thread but the reality is that the general populace of this country don't consume anything in moderation. The way alcohol is consumed is ridiculous despite the widespread education of the negative consequences.Dead Rats wrote:Not in this day or age. People are too stupid, especially young people.
Look at the Methadrone abuse at the moment, it's being treated like sherbert.
I can't help but think the only way for society to have a healthy attitude to drink and drug use is to be entirely open about it all... the more people are ashamed, the less likely they are to look for help if they do have a problem... and is making addicts criminals helping at all? Doesn't that just attach a stigma to them for the rest of their life?
Should we make alcoholics criminals instead of patients?
I think a lot of the shame is historical... the Victorians and most of Britain pre-WW2 were pretty keen on abstinence from all drugs, drink included. The US even went as far as alcohol prohibition (which led to a mighty similar situation as we have now with illegal drugs - organised crime took over and loads more people got addicted, quality of alcohol dropped to high strength moonshine... equivalent to high strength skunk on the black market?).danoldboy wrote:That's a fair point, does that shame come from knowing that these actions are harmful to ourselves and yet still continuing with them anyway? In which case to what extent are the authorities responsible for the choices people make?
Addicts criminalise themselves by making the personal choice to take a substance that is illegal.
Interesting article in relation to your point about historical alcohol consumption:magma wrote:I think a lot of the shame is historical... the Victorians and most of Britain pre-WW2 were pretty keen on abstinence from all drugs, drink included. The US even went as far as alcohol prohibition (which led to a mighty similar situation as we have now with illegal drugs - organised crime took over and loads more people got addicted, quality of alcohol dropped to high strength moonshine... equivalent to high strength skunk on the black market?).danoldboy wrote:That's a fair point, does that shame come from knowing that these actions are harmful to ourselves and yet still continuing with them anyway? In which case to what extent are the authorities responsible for the choices people make?
Addicts criminalise themselves by making the personal choice to take a substance that is illegal.
We're only 2 or 3 generations removed from that and we're already incredibly liberal compared to those attitudes... as it becomes more and more normal to use different substances, so it'll become more and more expected that you'll do so in moderation.
I don't see any reason why Whisky, Rum, Vodka etc can be sold legally in supermarkets in 1.5 litre bottles (enough to constitute a fatal dose in many) but we can't be trusted to show the same common sense with other substances.
This. And even if they weren't stupid they should still be illegal imo.feral witchchild wrote:Dead Rats wrote:Not in this day or age. People are too stupid, especially young people.
That was a great read, thanks!!danoldboy wrote: Interesting article in relation to your point about historical alcohol consumption:
http://www.historyandpolicy.org/papers/ ... er-62.html
Bang on! The existance of the drug industry doesn't force drugs down people's necks. People drink, smoke, snort and otherwise imbibe for their own reasons. Countries should look to tackle the problem (if it is really a problem) by looking at reasons for demand, not supply...It is tempting to dismiss all this unfortunate behaviour as simply young and inexperienced people acting under the influence of alcohol. Remove the substance and youth will return to the normality that pervades the majority of their lives. But this ignores the fact that young people are choosing to drink heavily, in all likelihood knowing the consequences of doing so. They are investing a substantial portion of their personal wealth, not just in the drink but also the package of recreational props that accompany it - music, dancing, clothing, etc - because it gives them a tangible and considered return. We need to understand more about the thrill and excitement of the occasion, the frisson generated by engaging in what is essentially carnivalesque behaviour in which the social norms are challenged and inverted. We need to look more at the performative aspects of binge drinking.