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gravity wrote:what a horrid thread

fl is better by the way. reason for the most part sound plasticky like a toy, unless you spend ages with it. and no plugins. and it doesnt even take up the whole screen. and it looks rubbish.

yeah totaly- been using reason for 2 days and so far all its done is stress me out- total waste of money.

i fuckin hate the way it isnt fullscreen- it looks cheap and shit

fruity loops rapes

press wrote:The answer is Reaper. Best hands down.

Best answer in the thread!

Check out Reaper for free from here ---> http://www.reaper.fm/download.php or download it with synths and FX preinstalled from here ---> http://www.dubstepforum.com/free-portab ... 73393.html (but you should install the latest version right over the top of this verison.

You'll thank your lucky stars that you never got into Reason or FL after you've become accustomed to Reaper!

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Corkz wrote:

gravity wrote:what a horrid thread

fl is better by the way. reason for the most part sound plasticky like a toy, unless you spend ages with it. and no plugins. and it doesnt even take up the whole screen. and it looks rubbish.

yeah totaly- been using reason for 2 days and so far all its done is stress me out- total waste of money.

i fuckin hate the way it isnt fullscreen- it looks cheap and shit

fruity loops rapes

Its not full screen cuz your supposed to detach sequencer window. Then put them side by side. To get a better view of whats goin on. And it doesnt support plugins, butt plugs, Vst's, Abc's or 123's cuz it already comes with three synthesizers that can be manipulated to ur liking. And possibilities are only limited by ur imagination. And the size of ur processor. Now go play wit ur sytrus or mango synths

Bad Lux wrote:

Corkz wrote:

gravity wrote:what a horrid thread

fl is better by the way. reason for the most part sound plasticky like a toy, unless you spend ages with it. and no plugins. and it doesnt even take up the whole screen. and it looks rubbish.

yeah totaly- been using reason for 2 days and so far all its done is stress me out- total waste of money.

i fuckin hate the way it isnt fullscreen- it looks cheap and shit

fruity loops rapes

Its not full screen cuz your supposed to detach sequencer window. Then put them side by side. To get a better view of whats goin on. And it doesnt support plugins, butt plugs, Vst's, Abc's or 123's cuz it already comes with three synthesizers that can be manipulated to ur liking. And possibilities are only limited by ur imagination. And the size of ur processor. Now go play wit ur sytrus or mango synths

think il stick to massive mate

FL - I can add in any vsti plugins, and the piano roll is easier to use/edit notes with.

dro524 wrote:the piano roll is easier to use/edit notes with.

+ fifteen hundred

yeah i think FL has won this one- does anyone here use reaper? just downloaded the demo.

Bad Lux wrote:
Its not full screen cuz your supposed to detach sequencer window. Then put them side by side. To get a better view of whats goin on. And it doesnt support plugins, butt plugs, Vst's, Abc's or 123's cuz it already comes with three synthesizers that can be manipulated to ur liking. And possibilities are only limited by ur imagination. And the size of ur processor. Now go play wit ur sytrus or mango synths

fl built in stuff is gash too. but vsti's>any built in reason bullshit. and where is your audio in reason? oh wait you have to buy that piece of shit record dont you? hardcore reason heads make me laugh even more than hardcore fruity heads.

cubase wins btw.

gravity wrote:

Bad Lux wrote:
Its not full screen cuz your supposed to detach sequencer window. Then put them side by side. To get a better view of whats goin on. And it doesnt support plugins, butt plugs, Vst's, Abc's or 123's cuz it already comes with three synthesizers that can be manipulated to ur liking. And possibilities are only limited by ur imagination. And the size of ur processor. Now go play wit ur sytrus or mango synths

fl built in stuff is gash too. but vsti's>any built in reason bullshit. and where is your audio in reason? oh wait you have to buy that piece of shit record dont you? hardcore reason heads make me laugh even more than hardcore fruity heads.

cubase wins btw.

No you dont need record unless u plan to play a live guitar or some real instruments. And record is not shit. Ive seen peeps use it to remix a tune on the fly. I dont use or need it. You dont need audio in cuz u got what u need in there. U sayin that reasons built in synths is bullshit? These are basically virtual sythesizers. They do the exact ting a real one would do so how is that bullshit??????? What makes me laugh is the amount of HARDCORE REASON HATERS THAT EXIST. That and fruity loops. And cubase??? Cant comment on what I dont know about. Then Id be jus like every other hater in here. And Ill leave wit a qoute from NAS "NIKKAS FEAR WHAT THEY DONT UNDERSTAND, HATE WHAT THEY CANT CONQUER. GUESS ITS JUST THE FURY OF MAN"

FL wins, I will scream it from the mountain tops.

FL scrapes all, sequencing in reason, is like trying to fucking suck a dee upside down on the moon while "copying to pattern" all day.

(SUB EDIT) Cubase SCRAPES all, but in terms of reason vs fl,. fucknig fl

Bad Lux wrote:

gravity wrote:

Bad Lux wrote:
Its not full screen cuz your supposed to detach sequencer window. Then put them side by side. To get a better view of whats goin on. And it doesnt support plugins, butt plugs, Vst's, Abc's or 123's cuz it already comes with three synthesizers that can be manipulated to ur liking. And possibilities are only limited by ur imagination. And the size of ur processor. Now go play wit ur sytrus or mango synths

fl built in stuff is gash too. but vsti's>any built in reason bullshit. and where is your audio in reason? oh wait you have to buy that piece of shit record dont you? hardcore reason heads make me laugh even more than hardcore fruity heads.

cubase wins btw.

No you dont need record unless u plan to play a live guitar or some real instruments. And record is not shit. Ive seen peeps use it to remix a tune on the fly. I dont use or need it. You dont need audio in cuz u got what u need in there. U sayin that reasons built in synths is bullshit? These are basically virtual sythesizers. They do the exact ting a real one would do so how is that bullshit??????? What makes me laugh is the amount of HARDCORE REASON HATERS THAT EXIST. That and fruity loops. And cubase??? Cant comment on what I dont know about. Then Id be jus like every other hater in here. And Ill leave wit a qoute from NAS "NIKKAS FEAR WHAT THEY DONT UNDERSTAND, HATE WHAT THEY CANT CONQUER. GUESS ITS JUST THE FURY OF MAN"

i am indeed saying the synths are a bit poo, especially when you compare them to things like gladiator or absynth 4, and the samplers are even more shit compared to kontakt, and the effects are even worse when you compare them to things like the fabfilter plugs or altiverb or amplitube. you dont need audio but wait till you try it... audio is fantastic. imagine the power if you can.. i can click on some and reverse it, pitch shift it, put effects on it, chop and rearrange it, timestretch it, all in a matter of seconds. i am not a hardcore reason hater... i believe that you can make wicked tunes in reason (one of my mates was always a fucking don on reason) but i also believe you are making life unnecessarily difficult for yourself. and there is one thing i like about reason - the vocoder. anyway, im commenting on things i do know about, ive spent time with most sequencers bar logic and reaper really, and of the lot reason is the worst in my opinion.

gravity wrote:audio is fantastic. imagine the power if you can.. i can click on some and reverse it, pitch shift it, put effects on it, chop and rearrange it, timestretch it, all in a matter of seconds.

And this why, you cant pry me off a traditional daw and into a workstation program like reason...

And piano roll + intuitive ass step sequencer ftw.

gravity wrote:

Bad Lux wrote:

gravity wrote:

Bad Lux wrote:
Its not full screen cuz your supposed to detach sequencer window. Then put them side by side. To get a better view of whats goin on. And it doesnt support plugins, butt plugs, Vst's, Abc's or 123's cuz it already comes with three synthesizers that can be manipulated to ur liking. And possibilities are only limited by ur imagination. And the size of ur processor. Now go play wit ur sytrus or mango synths

fl built in stuff is gash too. but vsti's>any built in reason bullshit. and where is your audio in reason? oh wait you have to buy that piece of shit record dont you? hardcore reason heads make me laugh even more than hardcore fruity heads.

cubase wins btw.

No you dont need record unless u plan to play a live guitar or some real instruments. And record is not shit. Ive seen peeps use it to remix a tune on the fly. I dont use or need it. You dont need audio in cuz u got what u need in there. U sayin that reasons built in synths is bullshit? These are basically virtual sythesizers. They do the exact ting a real one would do so how is that bullshit??????? What makes me laugh is the amount of HARDCORE REASON HATERS THAT EXIST. That and fruity loops. And cubase??? Cant comment on what I dont know about. Then Id be jus like every other hater in here. And Ill leave wit a qoute from NAS "NIKKAS FEAR WHAT THEY DONT UNDERSTAND, HATE WHAT THEY CANT CONQUER. GUESS ITS JUST THE FURY OF MAN"

i am indeed saying the synths are a bit poo, especially when you compare them to things like gladiator or absynth 4, and the samplers are even more shit compared to kontakt, and the effects are even worse when you compare them to things like the fabfilter plugs or altiverb or amplitube. you dont need audio but wait till you try it... audio is fantastic. imagine the power if you can.. i can click on some and reverse it, pitch shift it, put effects on it, chop and rearrange it, timestretch it, all in a matter of seconds. i am not a hardcore reason hater... i believe that you can make wicked tunes in reason (one of my mates was always a fucking don on reason) but i also believe you are making life unnecessarily difficult for yourself. and there is one thing i like about reason - the vocoder. anyway, im commenting on things i do know about, ive spent time with most sequencers bar logic and reaper really, and of the lot reason is the worst in my opinion.

The synths are poo in there raw form. Thats why you gotta tweak em. Everting in there can be tweaked to what u need. Its not like click this and tada you have the best synth ever. The sampler has reverse and pitch shift. You can create amazing effects. Looks to me that your opinion is based on what you and your mate couldnt accomplish. Hence the reason your on about cubase. Everybody has there right to there opinion. Instead of putting reason down because you couldnt create what you wanted you should just say "I couldnt figure reason out". Everyone always wants to be the winner. And defeat is not easily accepted. Well I could go on battling for days but for what. I like how FRUITY LOOPS users dont take the time to explain there side of the story and just come in and say FRUITY LOOPS RAPES AND SCRAPES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh well its like arguing with a woman. You take your time to explain. It jus gos in one ear and out the other. So Ive put in my two cents. I dont need to convince you how good reason is. And you dont need to convince me about fruity or cubase. So to each there own PEACE

Reason is only good if you really know what you're doing but if you've already got a working knowledge of production then the DAW won't really matter unless you're used to that interface. I prefer Fl anyway because it can do everything in the world ever, also vsts and sytrus ftw.

I tried the Fruity-Reason double team for a bit but now I'm doing all my extras in cubase these days, reason just doesn't work for me. Reaper sounds like a good cheaper alternative but seeing as I've already bought all my stuff I never bothered checking it out, is it really good enough to replace FL or reason or any of the other big boys?

gravity wrote:I am indeed saying Reasons synths are a bit poo, especially when you compare them to things like Alchemy or Surge. The samplers are even more shit compared to Kontakt et al, and the effects are even worse when you compare them to things like the fabfilter plugs or altiverb or amplitube.

I concur x10000000000 +1

Bad Lux wrote:(In Reason) its not like 'click this and tada you have the best synth ever'.

The thing is, Vember Audio Surge VSTi really is as good as 'click this and you have the best synth ever'...! It can do what all three of Reasons synths can do and more.

Bad Lux wrote:Reasons samplers have reverse and pitch shift.

Reasons samplers don't have any form of pitch shifting independent of time. You can do some long Combinator wizardry with the NN-19 to make a quasi-granular pitch shifter, but the sample length is too short to be useful I find.

gravity wrote:Audio is fantastic. Imagine the power if you can.. I can click on some and reverse it, pitch shift it, put effects on it, chop and rearrange it, timestretch it, all in a matter of seconds.

You just described Reaper perfectly!

back2onett wrote:Is Reaper really good enough to replace FL, Reason or any of the other big boys?

Yes.

gravity wrote:You can make wicked tunes in Reason or FL, but I also believe you are making life unnecessarily difficult for yourself.

Revolutionise your life and download Reaper right now! ---> http://www.reaper.fm/download.php

The thing is, Vember Audio Surge VSTi really is as good as 'click this and you have the best synth ever'...! It can do what all three of Reasons synths can do and more.

The same ting as a combinator. Download someone elses patches and open, tada really good as click this and have best synth ever