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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:36 pm
by jim
Really not trying to go into the rest of the guys shit, but seriously, that article, absolutely NO facts in it. None. Oh well, there are facts, just not ones which cite sources. Wonder why :lol: To be honest I find the thing a bit racist, "ooh, the latinos are coming to murder you" scaremongering nonsense.

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:59 pm
by parson
J Dub U wrote:
Parson wrote:that one zomby posted about the london bus bombings was a good one
Link Please?
http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... alex+jones
paolo wrote:But politicians loyal to higher occult allegiances? Come on!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... mian+grove

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:22 pm
by paolo
Well I'll be damned. If this stuff is for real then it certainly is worrying

Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:23 pm
by selector.dub.u
I always ask myself what is the purpose of articles like these?
Are they here to inform us, so that we can make changes? Are they written to offer information in order to allow for positive solutions to arise in response? Or- are they written to stir shit and negativity towards a race or class of people?

It seems to me the main agenda of this article is to promote fear of mexicans
and people who are not white in general.

The reason- imo - is to create animosity between the races.
The overly alarmist tone of this article makes it clear to me from the beginning that its agenda is to promote division and fear and it is a racist propaganda piece.

Regardless of the "facts" it may contain.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:13 pm
by misk
thanks for the bohemian grove link parson. Ive been wanting to watch the whole thing for a while now. I pretty much agree with alex jones', but hes so damn campy and over-the-top, it really detracts from the believability of his research. Hes almost as sensationalist as rush limbaugh. Also, occultism isnt really satanist... if these rituals are babylonian like he claims, they were concieved in a time before christ.

hes christian tho, so ill forgive his ignorance :lol:

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:57 pm
by showguns
that article is horseshit.

horseshit

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:37 pm
by setnom
although the article is obviously horseshit, there is some truth to the fact that among Mexican gangs in Los Angeles there is a sense of superiority over Black and/or Black gangs. Shit is outta hand. There is indiscriminate killings on both sides, more recently than ever before, but not to the extent that the article makes it appear. I don't know how many of you live in/near Los Anegels or work or are around gang members, but shit is serial. Mexican gang members won't even listen to rap if it's made by blacks, they'll only listen to Chicano rap and Chicano oldies, it's a fucking trip. The expansion of the prision system has locked up more gang members for smaller crimes. Once in prison the segregation starts especially among Blacks and Mexicans, and once these gang members are released they bring that attitude and hatred to the general population. It's not so much ethnic cleansing by Mexicans or Blacks but population control and keeping minorities in their place by a larger institution.

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:03 pm
by parson
he may have used to word satanism once or twice but he talks way more about moloch

Re: horseshit

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:13 pm
by selector.dub.u
Setnom wrote:although the article is obviously horseshit, there is some truth to the fact that among Mexican gangs in Los Angeles there is a sense of superiority over Black and/or Black gangs. Shit is outta hand. There is indiscriminate killings on both sides, more recently than ever before, but not to the extent that the article makes it appear. I don't know how many of you live in/near Los Anegels or work or are around gang members, but shit is serial. Mexican gang members won't even listen to rap if it's made by blacks, they'll only listen to Chicano rap and Chicano oldies, it's a fucking trip. The expansion of the prision system has locked up more gang members for smaller crimes. Once in prison the segregation starts especially among Blacks and Mexicans, and once these gang members are released they bring that attitude and hatred to the general population. It's not so much ethnic cleansing by Mexicans or Blacks but population control and keeping minorities in their place by a larger institution.
Ok so what can be done about it ?
I think you are right that the racism is institutionalized in a sense.

I live in one of the barrio's of san jose. I really don't see very much racism here amongst the latinos.
I defo don't see the violence if there is any as being racist as much as just being a part of the structure of a gang. Not that racism is not a part of the equation but i defo DO NOT think there is any "ethnic cleansing" going on.

So the article is basically a pile of horse crap meant to make people especially black people scared of mexicans - imo. The ultimate purpose is to make the fearful vision of the article writer come to life by propagating fear between the races. This fear in turn creates ignorance which then justifies the use of violence.

I say screw that vision of the world- i dont buy it for a second.