Legend4ry's sub bass tutorial

[2mb1o]

And keep it mono

[deadly_habit]

And keep it mono

that's only if you're cutting to vinyl
one of the benefits of the digital realm
though panning in the low range is pretty hard to perceive anyways

[staticcast]

If some of your sub notes are louder than others, you need to sort your room treatment out.

not very true.

Ok, I should have added "neighbouring". I know about Fletcher Munson and that...

[staticcast]

And keep it mono

that's only if you're cutting to vinyl
one of the benefits of the digital realm
though panning in the low range is pretty hard to perceive anyways

Good practice to keep (or at least monitor) low frequencies in mono anyway; loads of clubs run their subs in mono. Plus, you get double the power for your headroom as opposed to having shit panned all over the shop.

[deadly_habit]

And keep it mono

that's only if you're cutting to vinyl
one of the benefits of the digital realm
though panning in the low range is pretty hard to perceive anyways

Good practice to keep (or at least monitor) low frequencies in mono anyway; loads of clubs run their subs in mono. Plus, you get double the power for your headroom as opposed to having shit panned all over the shop.

yea it is good practice, but just saying it's not something set in stone
not every tune is meant to be played on club rigs

[Snafu]

Thanx for sharing this information.. I have some questions. Whats with sidechain compression and subs.. I mean sidechaining the sub to duck the BD. Where in the chain is the best place to insert the compressor? Also is there a way that I can get a pure mono sine out of massiv? Or is it always mono? Two more... Is it best to create a nice sub and then bounce it to mono? What happens when I take a sine wave from massiv and send it through a mono bus?

I hope you guys have some advice.. Im not to sure if im doing it all right!

edit: adding a question...

[deadly_habit]

Thanx for sharing this information.. I have some questions. Whats with sidechain compression and subs.. I mean sidechaining the sub to duck the BD. Where in the chain is the best place to insert the compressor? Also is there a way that I can get a pure mono sine out of massiv? Or is it always mono? One more... Is it best to create a nice sub and then bounce it to mono? What happens when I take a sine wave from massiv and send it through a mono bus?

I hope you guys have some advice.. Im not to sure if im doing it all right!

sidechaining is used when you have 2 sounds occupying the same range. and you don't have the headroom to have them playing at the same loudness at the same time so say your kick is at 80hz and your bass is too. what sidechain compression does is it triggers the compressor when the kick hits and ducks the basses db level down ducking it so the kick is the main element creating a pumping effect.
as far as it being mono it depends on if you have any stereo fx going on or panning and if it's on a stereo channel. and yes sending it to a mono buss will sum it to a mono signal.

[staticcast]

Thanx for sharing this information.. I have some questions. Whats with sidechain compression and subs.. I mean sidechaining the sub to duck the BD. Where in the chain is the best place to insert the compressor? Also is there a way that I can get a pure mono sine out of massiv? Or is it always mono? Two more... Is it best to create a nice sub and then bounce it to mono? What happens when I take a sine wave from massiv and send it through a mono bus?

I hope you guys have some advice.. Im not to sure if im doing it all right!

edit: adding a question...

You generally sidechain the sub to be ducked BY the BD. Put the compressor at the end of the sub chain and set the BD as its sidechain input.

Massive is mono (well, identical LR) until you tell it otherwise (pan, stereo FX like reverb or chorus etc). You can get a sine by using the sine->square WT, or I think just by setting Spectrum to zero on most of the standard waveforms...

[Snafu]

Thanx for the quick reply. Seems I have been doing it right. I just need to set up my sc compressor at the end of my bus. But do you rather bounce your sub or just send it to a mono bus? Does it make any difference? I tend to think that the bounced sub sounds a bit dryer than the other way.

[Brisance]

Where is the slide and what does it do?

Also, why the fuck would anyone use massive the cpu muncher for a sub? Just use your simplest synth, that can put out a sine...

[kontigobeats]

seems like some useful tips! was actually looking for a thread like this earlier so thanks!

[stappard]

Massive is mono (well, identical LR) until you tell it otherwise (pan, stereo FX like reverb or chorus etc).

I would have thought that Massive is stereo even without stereo FX. For massive to output a true mono signal, open up massive as a mono instrument in your daw (this is possible in Logic).

[deadly_habit]

Thanx for the quick reply. Seems I have been doing it right. I just need to set up my sc compressor at the end of my bus. But do you rather bounce your sub or just send it to a mono bus? Does it make any difference? I tend to think that the bounced sub sounds a bit dryer than the other way.

shouldn't make a difference

[Snafu]

Also, why the fuck would anyone use massive the cpu muncher for a sub? Just use your simplest synth, that can put out a sine...

mhh good point I have no idea.. I guess its pure ignorance.

[Snafu]

shouldn't make a difference

Cool thanx! Then im ready to drop some heavy weight shit!!

[gnome]

I want to know why some notes sound louder when they are played at a higher key?

[serox]

I want to know why some notes sound louder when they are played at a higher key?

Because they are louder I think? different notes have different frequencies?

[staticcast]

I want to know why some notes sound louder when they are played at a higher key?

1) Room resonances
2) Bass rolloff with your monitors
3) Psychoacoustically, low frequencies "sound" quieter

[Depone]

I want to know why some notes sound louder when they are played at a higher key?

Because they are louder I think? different notes have different frequencies?

A sounds frequency doesn't technically have relation to its amplitude, but it does have a relationship how we perceive how loud the frequency is.

See here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher%E ... son_curves

our ears are more sensitive to a variety of frequencies, and the Fletcher Munson curves show us this

[kontrol]

ahhh so now i r can had wub wub

thx chris


i do have a question tho.

If i have a sub bass and a lowish mid range bass playing simultaneously, is there an exact range in the fequencies i should be rolling off at?