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hackman wrote:

miscreant wrote:You cant auto-mix on serato you still need to line up the pretty pictures

Which I will admit I do.

Heres why: I make tunes, I would one day love to be able to mix my own tunes in a set where all the tunes are mixed into eachother as opposed to just blended. I have 2 options, I can either learn to mix using just my ears, which is costly and time consuming, or I can learn the technique required to mix records, buy Serato, then start having fun straight away.

Since buying Serato I have undoubtedly become better at mixing using my ears anyway, I wont stand looking at the screen the whole time, I'll cue up, make sure the tempos are around the same and as long as theres no major differences once things are relatively in time I can use my ears.

If someone gave you two options, one of which meant you can have fun doing something but you need to wait a couple of years, or you can have the exact same amount of fun and do it instantly what would you choose?

I think the only reason vinyl heads dont like this is because you mugs spent so long learning to mix and now people like me come along and smash it up just as much as you can without having to go through the years of practice

deadly habit wrote:

miscreant wrote:

hackman wrote:

miscreant wrote:You cant auto-mix on serato you still need to line up the pretty pictures

Which I will admit I do.

Heres why: I make tunes, I would one day love to be able to mix my own tunes in a set where all the tunes are mixed into eachother as opposed to just blended. I have 2 options, I can either learn to mix using just my ears, which is costly and time consuming, or I can learn the technique required to mix records, buy Serato, then start having fun straight away.

Since buying Serato I have undoubtedly become better at mixing using my ears anyway, I wont stand looking at the screen the whole time, I'll cue up, make sure the tempos are around the same and as long as theres no major differences once things are relatively in time I can use my ears.

If someone gave you two options, one of which meant you can have fun doing something but you need to wait a couple of years, or you can have the exact same amount of fun and do it instantly what would you choose?

I think the only reason vinyl heads dont like this is because you mugs spent so long learning to mix and now people like me come along and smash it up just as much as you can without having to go through the years of practice

actually i use cdjs, and picked up mixing in a matter of weeks thankyou very much

hackman wrote:

miscreant wrote:

hackman wrote:

miscreant wrote:You cant auto-mix on serato you still need to line up the pretty pictures

Which I will admit I do.

Heres why: I make tunes, I would one day love to be able to mix my own tunes in a set where all the tunes are mixed into eachother as opposed to just blended. I have 2 options, I can either learn to mix using just my ears, which is costly and time consuming, or I can learn the technique required to mix records, buy Serato, then start having fun straight away.

Since buying Serato I have undoubtedly become better at mixing using my ears anyway, I wont stand looking at the screen the whole time, I'll cue up, make sure the tempos are around the same and as long as theres no major differences once things are relatively in time I can use my ears.

If someone gave you two options, one of which meant you can have fun doing something but you need to wait a couple of years, or you can have the exact same amount of fun and do it instantly what would you choose?

I think the only reason vinyl heads dont like this is because you mugs spent so long learning to mix and now people like me come along and smash it up just as much as you can without having to go through the years of practice

actually i use cdjs, and picked up mixing in a matter of weeks thankyou very much

cdjs? Your fucking ruining the scene mate.

in my sets i play about 60 % vinyl and 40 % own production & dubs on serato. so it´s quite handy, i wouldn´t have the money for pressing dubplates every week.

miscreant wrote:

hackman wrote:

miscreant wrote:You cant auto-mix on serato you still need to line up the pretty pictures

Which I will admit I do.

Heres why: I make tunes, I would one day love to be able to mix my own tunes in a set where all the tunes are mixed into eachother as opposed to just blended. I have 2 options, I can either learn to mix using just my ears, which is costly and time consuming, or I can learn the technique required to mix records, buy Serato, then start having fun straight away.

Since buying Serato I have undoubtedly become better at mixing using my ears anyway, I wont stand looking at the screen the whole time, I'll cue up, make sure the tempos are around the same and as long as theres no major differences once things are relatively in time I can use my ears.

If someone gave you two options, one of which meant you can have fun doing something but you need to wait a couple of years, or you can have the exact same amount of fun and do it instantly what would you choose?

I think the only reason vinyl heads dont like this is because you mugs spent so long learning to mix and now people like me come along and smash it up just as much as you can without having to go through the years of practice

i mixed for about 2 years before i got onto serato (came into some inheritance, though i'd splash out and get something that would save me money). so the whole looking to mix thing isnt such a big deal. i still do it, but everybody does to some extent. and so what? if the mix sounds good does it really matter?

i think the main advantages are that the tunes are a lot cheaper if not free, you can still play vinyl if you want, less to carry around with you, shit loads more tunes!

one thing though, i started out not bothered about the quality of the files i was playing. not that i'd play some gash 96kbps nonsense, but quality wasnt that important to me. not anymore, quality is key, the bigger the better really!

miscreant wrote:I can either learn to mix using just my ears, which is costly and time consuming, or I can learn the technique required to mix records, buy Serato, then start having fun straight away.

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hackman wrote:

miscreant wrote:

hackman wrote:

miscreant wrote:You cant auto-mix on serato you still need to line up the pretty pictures

Which I will admit I do.

Heres why: I make tunes, I would one day love to be able to mix my own tunes in a set where all the tunes are mixed into eachother as opposed to just blended. I have 2 options, I can either learn to mix using just my ears, which is costly and time consuming, or I can learn the technique required to mix records, buy Serato, then start having fun straight away.

Since buying Serato I have undoubtedly become better at mixing using my ears anyway, I wont stand looking at the screen the whole time, I'll cue up, make sure the tempos are around the same and as long as theres no major differences once things are relatively in time I can use my ears.

If someone gave you two options, one of which meant you can have fun doing something but you need to wait a couple of years, or you can have the exact same amount of fun and do it instantly what would you choose?

I think the only reason vinyl heads dont like this is because you mugs spent so long learning to mix and now people like me come along and smash it up just as much as you can without having to go through the years of practice

actually i use cdjs, and picked up mixing in a matter of weeks thankyou very much

damn hackman, i wish all of us serato djs could be as good as you!

ghst wrote:

miscreant wrote:I can either learn to mix using just my ears, which is costly and time consuming, or I can learn the technique required to mix records, buy Serato, then start having fun straight away.

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yeah... what?? youre mixing DUBSTEP. its all within like 4 bpms of each other. i can understand if youre trying to beatmatch old funk 45s that arent done to a click, but dubstep?? most of the time you dont even need to nudge a record at all, just drop it in beat.

even if youre using ableton, you still need to use your ears. just lining up waveforms doesnt mean the music will sound good together.

Serato is easier for big dj's/producer who travel a lot. It's also easier for people who produce and don't have to money to cut each one of their track on acetate/vinyl.

Personally i'm all about vinyls. But i don't spin that much dubstep.

My thing is hip hop, dancehall, reggae, soul, funk... All those music have been there before Serato, before cdj's, and have a strong vinyl tradition. And each time i see a young dj spinning funk, reggae etc on Serato i can't help myself feeling angry, especially if it's the hits like "Rappers Delight", "Le Freak C'est Chic"... You can see the guy is just a wannabe dj. I know some old hip hop dj's who mix with Serato now, but it doesn't matter, cause you know that his shelfs are loaded with vinyls.

When it comes to more up to date music, like dubstep/funky house... It doesn't bother me that much.

But as i already said: i'm all about vinyls, it's my choice

brut willis wrote:Serato is easier for big dj's/producer who travel a lot. It's also easier for people who produce and don't have to money to cut each one of their track on acetate/vinyl.

Personally i'm all about vinyls. But i don't spin that much dubstep.

My thing is hip hop, dancehall, reggae, soul, funk... All those music have been there before Serato, before cdj's, and have a strong vinyl tradition. And each time i see a young dj spinning funk, reggae etc on Serato i can't help myself feeling angry, especially if it's the hits like "Rappers Delight", "Le Freak C'est Chic"... You can see the guy is just a wannabe dj. I know some old hip hop dj's who mix with Serato now, but it doesn't matter, cause you know that his shelfs are loaded with vinyls.

When it comes to more up to date music, like dubstep/funky house... It doesn't bother me that much.

But as i already said: i'm all about vinyls, it's my choice

As a DJ, I appreciate it when dudes actually bring crates of old vinyl to gigs. i have a decent vinyl collection myself, ive just found it cumbersome to bring to gigs, especially when i'm gonna use serato for half of my songs, vinyl for the other half. i have most of my vinyl collection on my computer anyway, so it's kinda redundant to haul crates. now, i mostly buy vinyl for records i absolutely love and would never want to sell. The other thing is that i live in milwaukee now, so its a lot harder to buy records compared to when i lived in NYC. Mail-ordering records simply isnt as fun as hitting up a great record shop.

That being said, big up to everyone spinning vinyl. theres someone out there that appreciates you.

I dont need to defend myself - I still need to know my tunes, which ones sound good together, which styles I can blend. Just because I'm using my eyes as well as my ears it doesnt make me any less capable of putting a good set together.

Every dj I know who has gone from vinyl to serato has admitted that they do tend to look at the waveforms even though they know how to mix without them, its just a handy tool thats there.

Dont get me wrong I'd love to have all the tunes I own on vinyl and I'd love to be able to mix them perfectly without serato but the bottom line is I cant. So I can either just not do it at all or do it with Serato, still keeping my pride in tact by actually mixing, on decks, with timecoded vinyl. Plus when I finish a tune I'm happy with I can play it in a set without spending £££ on getting dubs cut.

miscreant wrote:I dont need to defend myself - I still need to know my tunes, which ones sound good together, which styles I can blend. Just because I'm using my eyes as well as my ears it doesnt make me any less capable of putting a good set together.

Every dj I know who has gone from vinyl to serato has admitted that they do tend to look at the waveforms even though they know how to mix without them, its just a handy tool thats there.

Dont get me wrong I'd love to have all the tunes I own on vinyl and I'd love to be able to mix them perfectly without serato but the bottom line is I cant. So I can either just not do it at all or do it with Serato, still keeping my pride in tact by actually mixing, on decks, with timecoded vinyl. Plus when I finish a tune I'm happy with I can play it in a set without spending £££ on getting dubs cut.

I'm a serato user myself, so no, you don't have to defend yourself. I'm just confused as to how learning to beatmatch is costly and time consuming? Serato costs about £600, and you still have to know how to mix...3 or 4 records to practice on will set you back £24 or less. Learning to beatmatch with records that are probably gonna range from 136 to 143 bpm would probably take you all of a week, if that?

ghst wrote:

miscreant wrote:I dont need to defend myself - I still need to know my tunes, which ones sound good together, which styles I can blend. Just because I'm using my eyes as well as my ears it doesnt make me any less capable of putting a good set together.

Every dj I know who has gone from vinyl to serato has admitted that they do tend to look at the waveforms even though they know how to mix without them, its just a handy tool thats there.

Dont get me wrong I'd love to have all the tunes I own on vinyl and I'd love to be able to mix them perfectly without serato but the bottom line is I cant. So I can either just not do it at all or do it with Serato, still keeping my pride in tact by actually mixing, on decks, with timecoded vinyl. Plus when I finish a tune I'm happy with I can play it in a set without spending £££ on getting dubs cut.

I'm a serato user myself, so no, you don't have to defend yourself. I'm just confused as to how learning to beatmatch is costly and time consuming? Serato costs about £600, and you still have to know how to mix...3 or 4 records to practice on will set you back £24 or less. Learning to beatmatch with records that are probably gonna range from 136 to 143 bpm would probably take you all of a week, if that?

Sorry I suppose I wasnt clear - What I meant was that for me to sustain learning to mix using vinyl only while also building up a decent collection of music would take ages and cost a shitload.

g-man wrote:

hackman wrote:

miscreant wrote:

hackman wrote:

miscreant wrote:You cant auto-mix on serato you still need to line up the pretty pictures

Which I will admit I do.

Heres why: I make tunes, I would one day love to be able to mix my own tunes in a set where all the tunes are mixed into eachother as opposed to just blended. I have 2 options, I can either learn to mix using just my ears, which is costly and time consuming, or I can learn the technique required to mix records, buy Serato, then start having fun straight away.

Since buying Serato I have undoubtedly become better at mixing using my ears anyway, I wont stand looking at the screen the whole time, I'll cue up, make sure the tempos are around the same and as long as theres no major differences once things are relatively in time I can use my ears.

If someone gave you two options, one of which meant you can have fun doing something but you need to wait a couple of years, or you can have the exact same amount of fun and do it instantly what would you choose?

I think the only reason vinyl heads dont like this is because you mugs spent so long learning to mix and now people like me come along and smash it up just as much as you can without having to go through the years of practice

actually i use cdjs, and picked up mixing in a matter of weeks thankyou very much

damn hackman, i wish all of us serato djs could be as good as you!

you betcha

ghst wrote:

miscreant wrote:I dont need to defend myself - I still need to know my tunes, which ones sound good together, which styles I can blend. Just because I'm using my eyes as well as my ears it doesnt make me any less capable of putting a good set together.

Every dj I know who has gone from vinyl to serato has admitted that they do tend to look at the waveforms even though they know how to mix without them, its just a handy tool thats there.

Dont get me wrong I'd love to have all the tunes I own on vinyl and I'd love to be able to mix them perfectly without serato but the bottom line is I cant. So I can either just not do it at all or do it with Serato, still keeping my pride in tact by actually mixing, on decks, with timecoded vinyl. Plus when I finish a tune I'm happy with I can play it in a set without spending £££ on getting dubs cut.

I'm a serato user myself, so no, you don't have to defend yourself. I'm just confused as to how learning to beatmatch is costly and time consuming? Serato costs about £600, and you still have to know how to mix...3 or 4 records to practice on will set you back £24 or less. Learning to beatmatch with records that are probably gonna range from 136 to 143 bpm would probably take you all of a week, if that?

i agree, if you cant beat match and you go out and spend £600 on serato then you're brave, rich or stupid. i had 2 years of scrimping and saving to buy vinyl every week, sacrificing nights out and going without bud before i made the decision to get serato. when i first started i bought 3 vinyl, mixed those 6 tracks into eachother in every combination possible for hours on end. then went and got another vinyl and started again. seeing it as a fast track to mixing is silly. it doesn't help with your EQing or tune selection and ultimately theyre the hardest things to get right.

so basically serato users are cheap ("mp3s are cheaper") and lazy ("carrying records is a pain/im not going to learn to beatmatch/etc").

these are the reasons always given.

i've yet to hear anything that says otherwise.

oh, i forgot the "embrace technology" reason.

yeah, cuz i've seen so many serato djs doing amazing things you cant do with vinyl....

prisoner wrote:so basically serato users are cheap ("mp3s are cheaper") and lazy ("carrying records is a pain/im not going to learn to beatmatch/etc").

these are the reasons always given.

i've yet to hear anything that says otherwise.

oh, i forgot the "embrace technology" reason.

yeah, cuz i've seen so many serato djs doing amazing things you cant do with vinyl....

Yeah because none of those reasons make any sense do they?

prisoner wrote:so basically serato users are cheap ("mp3s are cheaper") and lazy ("carrying records is a pain/im not going to learn to beatmatch/etc").

these are the reasons always given.

i've yet to hear anything that says otherwise.

oh, i forgot the "embrace technology" reason.

yeah, cuz i've seen so many serato djs doing amazing things you cant do with vinyl....

I came in this thread to publicly yawn, this argument is what, 5 years old at this point? But...

Playing your own tunes without paying $60 a pop for an acetate that will wear out quick and is wasted if you decide to change something in the tune didnt make your list... Ive seen it mentioned at least twice in this thread.

I bought Serato to play my own tunes, all the other major benefits are a bonus...