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narcissus wrote:. i feel if you use it respectfully, and people still get offended.. well shit..

the thing is for the people that will get offended there is no way to use it "respectfully" in their eyes.

well i get offended when i hear lady gaga remixes.. still, people make them..

daft tnuc wrote:japanese tattoo saying "rice bowl"

Well I'm off to the tattoo shop... so long for now gents.

lowpass wrote:Cool, I've heard of people using prayers before, a bit ignorant but I have to ask, it's okay to use that sort of stuff in songs? I mean it's not offending anyone?

I got told off by some Islamic chap chap for using a prayer in one of my more recent tunes. With that in mind search "nasheed" for some lovely Islamic prayers in a capella form.

daft tnuc wrote:Excuse me but don't you think using prayers or Bollywood love songs lyrics just because it gives an oriental vibe kinda absurd ?
Would you wear a japanese tattoo saying "rice bowl" ?

Besides, using that kind of samples if you can't be bothered listening to traditional music is also extremely lame.
It's supposed to be representing you, not just sounding cool...

i wouldn't get a japanese tat saying "rice bowl" but sampling something and mangling it is a different story.

i use some english vocal stuff that i just fuck with and it gives it an ambient feel. vocals from different parts of the globe give off a different feel no matter what they're saying.

and using samples from traditional music you don't listen to is lame?

i just dropped €80 on spoken word records and a load of old 50s rock. the main purpose was to get sample material. you can get sample material from the oddest places. i couldn't sample some of my favourite records but some things i would have no interest in might have a small passage or just a phrase that might give me an idea.

and what's with all these sampling virgins in this thread. talking about clearing shit for politeness ffs.

ps christians don't allow iconography either, the same as islam. it's just they care about it and the christian faith forgot about it. read a bible or something.

You could always donate money to a local mosque or something to show good will if you ended up getting the track released or something... Just a thought Not that I'm a religious dude or anything but at least you could show your appreciation for being able to use the sample, it'd be respectful at the very least...


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it may sound cool, i just would want to know what the hell it's saying before i sampled it
also regarding the whole debate:

daft tnuc wrote:Excuse me but don't you think ... blah blah blah...

Shut up.

My bad lowpass
Just saying coz you asked what the problems might be.
The rest is incidental

samurai wrote:

daft tnuc wrote:Excuse me but don't you think using prayers or Bollywood love songs lyrics just because it gives an oriental vibe kinda absurd ?
Would you wear a japanese tattoo saying "rice bowl" ?

Besides, using that kind of samples if you can't be bothered listening to traditional music is also extremely lame.
It's supposed to be representing you, not just sounding cool...

i wouldn't get a japanese tat saying "rice bowl" but sampling something and mangling it is a different story.

i use some english vocal stuff that i just fuck with and it gives it an ambient feel. vocals from different parts of the globe give off a different feel no matter what they're saying.

and using samples from traditional music you don't listen to is lame?

i just dropped €80 on spoken word records and a load of old 50s rock. the main purpose was to get sample material. you can get sample material from the oddest places. i couldn't sample some of my favourite records but some things i would have no interest in might have a small passage or just a phrase that might give me an idea.

What I'm saying is that sampling should be the result of an actual interest for something. You don't need to ask people where to find eastern vocal samples if you actually give a fuck about eastern music.
I also find it funny when people ask where to find movie dialogue samples because it sounds cool in a tune as opposed to using a quote they heard that somehow reflected them. Are you making music because it's cool or are you doing it to express yourself ?

The 2nd point is consistency. Do you really want to use muslim prayers lyrics if you're an atheist and know nothing about Islam ? Again, what is the message ?

some people would like to have "eastern" sounding vocal samples in their tunes. they may not have these samples so it's only fair to ask. if you hear an artist with nice drums maybe you want to have similar drums in your songs. etc..

as far as sampled dialog. well i think it should be somewhat relevant to the song and the overall feel of the song. i don't really feel it when people sample some dark movie dialog for the start then the beat just kicks in and the two are totally disconnected from each other. and although music should be an expression i think you are taking things to literal in terms of the dialog thing. i think if people use a piece of dialog from a film in one of their tunes it is by default, technically speaking, an expression of their personality. no matter what context it is in.

if i hear a man singing in arabic and i don't understand a word of it and i decide "hey i think i'll use that in a song" then if i choose to implement that sample into the song i am by default trying to bring across my personal vision of the sound to the listener. how the individual listener interprets the actual end result is not up to me, the artist can only guide them. maybe when somebody hears singing or vocals samples from a particular region it conjures up certain images in their brain. their use of these samples is just an attempt to conjure up the same images and feelings in other people.

regarding consistency... the islamic prayer example you gave is interesting because you're talking about taking a sample and keeping it context once you use it. sometimes if you take a vocal sample and use it out of the context it was originally in you can end up with a different message. again the actual words don't always have to have concrete meaning for them to be valid.

you don't need to have an understanding, or even an appreciation, for whatever material you sample. you're just making a collage of sound.

lol @ daft tnuc telling ppl what sampling "should" be

@ samurai : I guess it's subjective. I wouldn't use something that doesn't reflect me if I'm not 100% sure the original lyrics aren't recognizable which is difficult if you don't understand them.
That being said, stretching a gregorian chant so that each syllab makes a nice choir pad is fine by me

@ killahbeez : you're right, I should have added "to me"

eops wrote:My bad lowpass
Just saying coz you asked what the problems might be.
The rest is incidental

Don't worry about it man, spose the thread would probably have descended into this at some point anyway

As for the sampling virgin politeness comment (That I assumed was aimed at me)

I have no problem sampling from any source (without clearing it first) however I know that certain religions take these things very seriously and it's a bit of a difference between some label execs being a little pissy about me using some uncleared vocals from one of their tracks to a whole religion (1.57 billion people)

Seeing the usage in other tracks makes me think it isn't as big a deal as I probably expected but I don't feel any dumber by at least taking it into consideration.

That's all, Think there should be a thread lock now before this reaches page 3

narcissus wrote:well i get offended when i hear lady gaga remixes.. still, people make them..

indeed, they are a plague upon our world but still it's our lookout whether we are offended or not. despite the fact the people who make them have zero imagination they are still entitled to make whatever they like same as i'm entitled to call them boring fucks for not doing something more creative.

i reckon it's pretty simple, sample summat if ya want and if you're scared then hide under your covers and tell your mum not to open the door to any beardy fucks.

Wait prayers in the public domain! Its a free for all now

daft tnuc wrote:@ samurai : I guess it's subjective. I wouldn't use something that doesn't reflect me if I'm not 100% sure the original lyrics aren't recognizable which is difficult if you don't understand them.
That being said, stretching a gregorian chant so that each syllab makes a nice choir pad is fine by me

of course it's 100% subjective. for example if i wanted some japanese vocal samples i wouldn't go sampling some random japanese ad about a stain removal product.

lowpass wrote:[
As for the sampling virgin politeness comment (That I assumed was aimed at me)

I have no problem sampling from any source (without clearing it first) however I know that certain religions take these things very seriously and it's a bit of a difference between some label execs being a little pissy about me using some uncleared vocals from one of their tracks to a whole religion (1.57 billion people)

Seeing the usage in other tracks makes me think it isn't as big a deal as I probably expected but I don't feel any dumber by at least taking it into consideration.

no wasn't actually aimed at you at all. somebody else said something about paying the artists they sample. that's all right as rain in crazy hypothetical world but here in reality things are a bit different. if you're taking obscure material and flipping it to make something new then it's yours.

then again i come from a hip-hop background so sampling anything and everything is alright by me.

maybe i was the only one here who got excited about you mentioning metroid prime samples



i was looking for some metroid screeches the other day

Hurtdeer wrote:maybe i was the only one here who got excited about you mentioning metroid prime samples



i was looking for some metroid screeches the other day

Im Muslim & make dubstep, ide love it if someone used prayer samples. although im intending on doing it so dont do it too much still want mine 2 stand out!