Dubstepforum.com

why is everyone thinking dubstep is a fusion of dub and 2step?

why is everyone thinking that stitching together random genres like frankenstein works in any way apart from being a funny gimmick no one will give a shit about after 2 weeks? remember nintendocore? what the fuck was that for? and then that whole "adding -step to XY" thing... gee.

i dont get the concept of "inventing" genres, no scene no genre IMO. the sound's already there, the scene grows until someone gives it a name. not the other way round.

oh and you know, as far as i'm concerned taking a rock song and putting a beat under it is called a remix.

hasezwei wrote:why is everyone thinking dubstep is a fusion of dub and 2step?

Cus it more or less is

DZA wrote:

StrangeFlow wrote:look at dubstep, it's a new sound based largely on older different forms of music.. DUB (an old form of jamaican music from.. what, the 70s?) + 2STEP (british dance/electronic-poppy british music from ten years ago or so...) you combine them, make it dark as hell, and there's dubstep.. (i know im simplifying a bit, forgive me, but you get the idea..) ...so, yes, if you combine dubstep/glitch-hop with grunge / a 90s-rock type of sound.... yes, of COURSE you're getting something new...

I wouldnt really call something thats 7 years old new

oh what, oh, DZA? oh come on. lol. now you're just TRYING to nit-pick and take something out of context aren't you? lol. are you trying to miss my point, it's almost like you're ripping on me for spelling a word wrong. lol. DUB is like 30 or 40 years old, i believe.. and fine, 2-step isn't ANCIENT, but my point is, 2-step combined with dub IS A NEW combination... just as grunge and dubstep is ALSO a new combination...


Come on, if you're going to hate on grungestep or hate on me, at least make sense, it's fine if you HATE the idea, that's all good, but don't TRY to take things out of context, PLEASE?
and the whole point is that it will be a fun project, and what's wrong with a fun project? i don't expect the word 'grungestep' to be up there as one of the 5 or 6 big-name-genre's of the last 100 years, lol. that's not the point though, it should just be fun to do for those interested .. and YES, these ARE remixes, completely and admittedly, yes..
---------------------------------------------------------------

SO you are right HASEZWEI,
and i guess i somewhat disagree with your view on 'inventing' genres, although i do see what you're saying, i really do... but someone had to make the music that they played at shows and clubs to make those scenes lively , and this discussion right now and the other ones on grungestep are kind of like the behind-the-scenes discussions that will (AND HAVE, already) lead to new music that is being played right now and in the future... so, i dont know, if you really hate the idea, i mean, that's fine, thats all good...

but if you get a chance, itd be cool if you'd check out the link i posted to Glitch hop Forum, http://glitchhopforum.com/glitch-hop-mu ... t4733.html because a little more than 2/3 down the page there is an excellent write up explaining how it's not JUST a flavor of the week thing, and how there are actually a decent number of similiarities culturally/economically/musically 20 years as compared to now.. but we are in a different time so we should push things and push music in different directions, but taking some of the ideas from 20 years ago isn't necessarily a horrible idea, it might help out.. so, if you still hate grungestep after hearing it, then, well, alright, fair enough man.

What? i wasnt talking about dub i was taking about you saying dubstep is new when it aint

DZA wrote: What? i wasnt talking about dub i was taking about you saying dubstep is new when it aint

ok well, my point was that, when dubstep WAS created, it was a new combination based on music that had previously existed and some of that music they incorporated into the... (for lack of a better phrase) Dubstep-formula, WAS older music..


ALSO, BIG UP Siderealdb ! nice mix.. is it an original dub mixed with alice in chains or a previously-created dub mashed with alice in chains? i feel like ive heard it, but not sure. i could be wrong.

StrangeFlow wrote:

DZA wrote: What? i wasnt talking about dub i was taking about you saying dubstep is new when it aint

ok well, my point was that, when dubstep WAS created, it was a new combination based on music that had previously existed and some of that music they incorporated into the... (for lack of a better phrase) Dubstep-formula, WAS older music..


ALSO, BIG UP Siderealdb ! nice mix.. is it an original dub mixed with alice in chains or a previously-created dub mashed with alice in chains? i feel like ive heard it, but not sure. i could be wrong.

no it was a long slow progression which started with dub, EBM, Nuwave, hiphop, house, techno jungle drumnbass and speed garage. And everything else in between.

Not some marketing bod sellotaping two things together.

But then again good luck with that, sounds awful IMO, like the bad old days of bootlegs/mashups.

IMO

same. This project sounds really interesting. I surely will enjoy listening to these remixes ! Good luck !

paradigm x wrote:

StrangeFlow wrote:

DZA wrote: What? i wasnt talking about dub i was taking about you saying dubstep is new when it aint

ok well, my point was that, when dubstep WAS created, it was a new combination based on music that had previously existed and some of that music they incorporated into the... (for lack of a better phrase) Dubstep-formula, WAS older music..


ALSO, BIG UP Siderealdb ! nice mix.. is it an original dub mixed with alice in chains or a previously-created dub mashed with alice in chains? i feel like ive heard it, but not sure. i could be wrong.

no it was a long slow progression which started with dub, EBM, Nuwave, hiphop, house, techno jungle drumnbass and speed garage. And everything else in between.

Not some marketing bod sellotaping two things together.

But then again good luck with that, sounds awful IMO, like the bad old days of bootlegs/mashups.

IMO

fair enough, but i kinda feel like we're ALMOST talking the same thing here... a \long slow progression from ebm or new wave or hip hop and dnb and garage/speed garage / whatever, is STILL a progression, a change, a change from older styles, be they from the 70s from dub, or from dub and garage , or coming out of garage which comes out of something else which comes out of something else and so on... every new style or new progression is always a leap, there are leaps within a single genre.. look at drum n bass way back when it came out, doesnt it sound different than it does today? (might not be the BEST example, but im sure you get my point)..

i hope when you refer to marketing some "bod sellotaping two things together" you're not referring to this project...you probably are, lol. well that's ok, but if it means anything, this compilation is going to be COMPLETELY free, im not some high and mighty corporation, im a dude in Denver Colorado who is obsessed with music and recently got really reallly into grunge and 90s rock again (i like the sound, i still think it's relevant, and it reminds me of when i was younger) and i also like electronic music, so i thought i'd try my hand at mixing the two sounds together, and as it turned out there are hundreds of people who has liked the idea, and the music has been played at raves already, and so far people are diggin it.. (not everyone, obviously, and that's fine, no one HAS to like it) but i do see this as musical progression, i like to experiment with music, and try new things, and if it works, then dope.. and if it doesn't, then..well.. back to the drawing board, you know..

oh yea, and

G R U N G E S T E P M A S S I V E ! !

It just sounds like a lame, cheeseball idea that will inevitably give birth to a meager handful of lame, cheeseball tracks. 90s rock music is 90s rock music, let it be. Waste.

StrangeFlow wrote:

paradigm x wrote:

StrangeFlow wrote:

DZA wrote: What? i wasnt talking about dub i was taking about you saying dubstep is new when it aint

ok well, my point was that, when dubstep WAS created, it was a new combination based on music that had previously existed and some of that music they incorporated into the... (for lack of a better phrase) Dubstep-formula, WAS older music..


ALSO, BIG UP Siderealdb ! nice mix.. is it an original dub mixed with alice in chains or a previously-created dub mashed with alice in chains? i feel like ive heard it, but not sure. i could be wrong.

no it was a long slow progression which started with dub, EBM, Nuwave, hiphop, house, techno jungle drumnbass and speed garage. And everything else in between.

Not some marketing bod sellotaping two things together.

But then again good luck with that, sounds awful IMO, like the bad old days of bootlegs/mashups.

IMO

fair enough, but i kinda feel like we're ALMOST talking the same thing here... a \long slow progression from ebm or new wave or hip hop and dnb and garage/speed garage / whatever, is STILL a progression, a change, a change from older styles, be they from the 70s from dub, or from dub and garage , or coming out of garage which comes out of something else which comes out of something else and so on... every new style or new progression is always a leap, there are leaps within a single genre.. look at drum n bass way back when it came out, doesnt it sound different than it does today? (might not be the BEST example, but im sure you get my point)..

i hope when you refer to marketing some "bod sellotaping two things together" you're not referring to this project...you probably are, lol. well that's ok, but if it means anything, this compilation is going to be COMPLETELY free, im not some high and mighty corporation, im a dude in Denver Colorado who is obsessed with music and recently got really reallly into grunge and 90s rock again (i like the sound, i still think it's relevant, and it reminds me of when i was younger) and i also like electronic music, so i thought i'd try my hand at mixing the two sounds together, and as it turned out there are hundreds of people who has liked the idea, and the music has been played at raves already, and so far people are diggin it.. (not everyone, obviously, and that's fine, no one HAS to like it) but i do see this as musical progression, i like to experiment with music, and try new things, and if it works, then dope.. and if it doesn't, then..well.. back to the drawing board, you know..

Cool man, not being an arse (hopefully!) just trying to point out theres NO connection (as in linear) at all between 90s rock and dubstep whereas there is between garage/house/techno/dub etc. Two totally different, albeit perfectly valid paths. You could argue for the juxtaposition angle, but.

Also i do have to lol at these stupd genres, trip hop, grunge step, gypsycore...

And if im being picky, nicking old stuff and putting a halfstep/garage beat isnt particularly experimental... looks at all the mashups/bootlegs from a few years back.

As i said tho, fair enough, each to their own good luck with it

-[2]DAY_- wrote:It just sounds like a lame, cheeseball idea that will inevitably give birth to a meager handful of lame, cheeseball tracks. 90s rock music is 90s rock music, let it be. Waste.

fair enough, you're completely entitled to your opinion, you dont like 90s rock, ok, fair enough.... can i just ask you though, you were born in the 90s, weren't you? and don't say you weren't just because you were born december 27th, 1989.. cuz thats PREETTTTYY MUCH the 90s. lol)

I like 90s grunge, some great stuff there. Dunno about dustep remixes though, thats like mixing sherbert sweets and cooked meat, its just not right.

paradigm x wrote:

StrangeFlow wrote:

paradigm x wrote:

StrangeFlow wrote:

DZA wrote: What? i wasnt talking about dub i was taking about you saying dubstep is new when it aint

And if im being picky, nicking old stuff and putting a halfstep/garage beat isnt particularly experimental... looks at all the mashups/bootlegs from a few years back.

As i said tho, fair enough, each to their own good luck with it

its fine, whatever you're not a prick, its all good, we're just discussin shit, we don't have to agree it's all good..... actually though, you're right dubstep and grunge are not that similiar musically, i meant the cultural climate is similiar now to what was happening twenty years ago... a recession, 80s music and flourescent colors lol, cynicism, a war in iraq, young people not sure if they're going to be able to get good jobs DESPITE going to college for 3 or 4 or 5 years, etc etc.... yea, the juxtaposition angle is a good one for the forms of music.. actually though, i feel like this is just a stepping stone to something bigger and way more original, and im happy you pointed that out... i have more plans for the filthy electronic / lofi, grungey, dirty combination involving much more original tunes to come out, but i knew that getting people turned on to the sound through REMIXES of stuff they listened to 15 years ago would be an exccellent first step.. and i still feel that way, and ive seen it happen, alot of people are (starting to) download grungestep and take an interest, there was a rave a couple months ago that featured some good grungestep and people were digging it, hardcore, and from the feedback ive received already, i know this is gonna be a fun project that can lay a foundation musically and/or culturally for some other stuff that me and some others want to get involved in musically.

rock on..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUAD73r5NTk (Nirvana In Bloom Remix by Archie Cooper)

Cool

StrangeFlow wrote:

-[2]DAY_- wrote:It just sounds like a lame, cheeseball idea that will inevitably give birth to a meager handful of lame, cheeseball tracks. 90s rock music is 90s rock music, let it be. Waste.

fair enough, you're completely entitled to your opinion, you dont like 90s rock, ok, fair enough.... can i just ask you though, you were born in the 90s, weren't you? and don't say you weren't just because you were born december 27th, 1989.. cuz thats PREETTTTYY MUCH the 90s. lol)

I DO like 90s rock. And I'm an 80s baby.
But watevs.

cant be assed to write in prose so I'm gonna bulletpoint my contribution to this thread..

I like 90's rock.

I like Dubstep.

There is no such thing and there never will be such a thing as grungestep.

Remixing songs in a "mash up" style is old, boring and cheesy.

Trip Hop doesn't deserve to be listed amongst those other non-genres a bit above this post. DJ Shadow anyone?

That is all.

How is writing a beat under an acapella considered a "mashup"? I thought that was remixing pure and simple.

i call shenanigans. everybody get your brooms!

this is starting to get embarassing, really.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.p ... Grungestep

oh, yeah sure