Re: Why sample?
Posted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 7:46 pm
god i couldnt imagine trying to synthesize a drum hit
well thats the other side of the tipping point when it comes to samples, theres a difference between sampling a Herbie Hancock record form the 70s to make 90s jungle and sampling a 2010 dubstep record to make 2010 dubstep. Skream uses drum samples in all his tunes Im guessing, I dont know for sure but I am willing to bet he has never gone into a studio and recorded a live drum kit himself, therefor most drum sounds he uses have been taken from somewhere as a wav sample and used for his beats. Again theres a difference between taking drum sounds and then making your own beat with them, and just sampling an entire drum loop from a bit of music and using it unedited. DM, first thing comes to mind is Blue Notez by Mala, got a sax in there, Im willing to bet Mala didnt record himself playing that saxaphone line on his own bit of brass and that it is a sample. Again, its probably from an old bit of music, I doubt very much youll find that sax line on Hospital Records latest sample cd set.ammo wrote:I just think tho, couldn't i just sample a bunch of dubstep tunes to make a new track but it wouldn't be very original? N can noone tell me a big track that uses no samples (e.g. Digital mystikz, skream, etc)
it's not that hardtripwire22 wrote:god i couldnt imagine trying to synthesize a drum hit
808s mangLdizzy wrote:hum samples is a form of celebration of our musical patrimony...
but thats the hip hop head in me...
i just cherish old music...
the more u sample the more u get into those things...
sampling old records, u dont just sample sounds, u sample soul. and thats no artsy-overstatement...
that + the above
btw dh, love the sub on that one...
In The Shadows wrote:well thats the other side of the tipping point when it comes to samples, theres a difference between sampling a Herbie Hancock record form the 70s to make 90s jungle and sampling a 2010 dubstep record to make 2010 dubstep. Skream uses drum samples in all his tunes Im guessing, I dont know for sure but I am willing to bet he has never gone into a studio and recorded a live drum kit himself, therefor most drum sounds he uses have been taken from somewhere as a wav sample and used for his beats. Again theres a difference between taking drum sounds and then making your own beat with them, and just sampling an entire drum loop from a bit of music and using it unedited. DM, first thing comes to mind is Blue Notez by Mala, got a sax in there, Im willing to bet Mala didnt record himself playing that saxaphone line on his own bit of brass and that it is a sample. Again, its probably from an old bit of music, I doubt very much youll find that sax line on Hospital Records latest sample cd set.ammo wrote:I just think tho, couldn't i just sample a bunch of dubstep tunes to make a new track but it wouldn't be very original? N can noone tell me a big track that uses no samples (e.g. Digital mystikz, skream, etc)
Synthesizing drum hits isnt too bad actually, bit of noise generation and attention to your envelopes can bring you some very basic synthetic drum hits quite quickly. For house etc its a little more common place Im told, but when you want a real sounding drum hit its either sample or record yourself from a drum kit basicly.
http://www.linplug.com/Instruments/SaxL ... xlab_2.htmammo wrote:In The Shadows wrote:well thats the other side of the tipping point when it comes to samples, theres a difference between sampling a Herbie Hancock record form the 70s to make 90s jungle and sampling a 2010 dubstep record to make 2010 dubstep. Skream uses drum samples in all his tunes Im guessing, I dont know for sure but I am willing to bet he has never gone into a studio and recorded a live drum kit himself, therefor most drum sounds he uses have been taken from somewhere as a wav sample and used for his beats. Again theres a difference between taking drum sounds and then making your own beat with them, and just sampling an entire drum loop from a bit of music and using it unedited. DM, first thing comes to mind is Blue Notez by Mala, got a sax in there, Im willing to bet Mala didnt record himself playing that saxaphone line on his own bit of brass and that it is a sample. Again, its probably from an old bit of music, I doubt very much youll find that sax line on Hospital Records latest sample cd set.ammo wrote:I just think tho, couldn't i just sample a bunch of dubstep tunes to make a new track but it wouldn't be very original? N can noone tell me a big track that uses no samples (e.g. Digital mystikz, skream, etc)
Synthesizing drum hits isnt too bad actually, bit of noise generation and attention to your envelopes can bring you some very basic synthetic drum hits quite quickly. For house etc its a little more common place Im told, but when you want a real sounding drum hit its either sample or record yourself from a drum kit basicly.
Ah right, but how du kno that sax isn't a virtual instrument or something?
Thanks manzitanb wrote:I live to sampleThere is such a diverse range of sounds/instruments out there you can use. Like having an orchestra available to you its just awesome. Sometimes it takes a long time to get them to work together but its well worth it. For example sampled strings just sound more authentic than midi strings. Great for live sounding drums too. Not so good for bass.
Good luck.
Z.
Absolutly true, I love to work with samples.abZ wrote:^^^!!!Pedro Sánchez wrote:You are often capturing all other little artefacts and imperfections that give the samples certain characteristics or the processing that sample went through in it's creation, that just well sound nicer than some digital clean synth sounds pre processed.
Personally I can't stand listening to that type of electronic music that's just all synth and no sampling. Just feels plasitcy to me.
I dont, it could be, would it matter though? Its prob safe to say its not a virtual rasta on Dread Commandments. Mala uses Reason so if its not a stock Reason sound its probably a sample. I used to have an issue with samples before I really understood what was going on, but in truth most people are using samples in electronic music, and its just as creative a process as using a synth tbh. You can press one key on a z3ta patch and it will launch almost an entire trance track at you as someone mentioned on the forums not so long ago, and you can press one key with a trance loop sampled and get the same thing. But you can go in with both synth and sampler, take them down to a single note and create your own music from that, its no different which you use youre still creating somehting form a note. Uk dance music was built on sampling just as American hip hop was before it.ammo wrote:
Ah right, but how du kno that sax isn't a virtual instrument or something?
it's all about character, textures.Pedro Sánchez wrote:You are often capturing all other little artefacts and imperfections that give the samples certain characteristics or the processing that sample went through in it's creation, that just well sound nicer than some digital clean synth sounds pre processed.
It doesn't matter to me in the slightest, it's a sick tune. It's relevant to the question I asked as you quoted it as an example of a great use of sampling but there's no evidence to say it is a sample n it appears that some people think its definitely not a sample. So it is relevant because if it sounds like a sample but it's not then it seems you can achieve the same level of quality without sampling. Which again leads me back to my opening post (where I already mentioned that I understand the use for little quotes etc). I understand what you are saying, I was wondering though if there are any big tracks that do not use any samples in contrast to everyones views here. Evidently I'll never really know without asking one of those producers. At some point Ill give sampling a try once I can do a bit more lolIn The Shadows wrote:I dont, it could be, would it matter though?ammo wrote:
Ah right, but how du kno that sax isn't a virtual instrument or something?
Sharmaji wrote:"blue notes" is def. one of my fave dmz tracks, but that's 100% not a real sax, sampled or otherwise, in there.
great example of using the tools you have tho-- whether or not he wanted a real sax in there, he wrote a KILLER melody. seeing people sing along to this one in 2006/7...
of course the question was relevant, wasnt trying to challenge what youre asking my man, just saying that creatively it probably wont change any of our opinions on Malas skills either way which has its own relevance to the discussion. Hard to say if any tracks have been made in dubstep without samples, Id say no, that drum smaples and/or sampler patches have been used in everything Ive heard to the best of my knowledge, but definatly a fair few tracks out there that only use stock samples that come with the samplers people have.ammo wrote:It doesn't matter to me in the slightest, it's a sick tune. It's relevant to the question I asked as you quoted it as an example of a great use of sampling but there's no evidence to say it is a sample n it appears that some people think its definitely not a sample. So it is relevant because if it sounds like a sample but it's not then it seems you can achieve the same level of quality without sampling. Which again leads me back to my opening post (where I already mentioned that I understand the use for little quotes etc). I understand what you are saying, I was wondering though if there are any big tracks that do not use any samples in contrast to everyones views here. Evidently I'll never really know without asking one of those producers. At some point Ill give sampling a try once I can do a bit more lolIn The Shadows wrote:I dont, it could be, would it matter though?ammo wrote:
Ah right, but how du kno that sax isn't a virtual instrument or something?