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serox wrote:The hats should be working with ur kick/snare to drive the track. You should be able to nod ur head to the beat and not have what sounds like two different drum riddums going at the same time!

Indeed, anyone who is making DANCE music should be putting into practice the fact the rhythm will 95% of the thing what makes people dance and get into the track.

Think I prefer Neros' beat ability.

Astral wrote:Think I prefer Neros' beat ability.

how are u supposed to manipulate groove/velocity with a step sequencer, though?

I never understood this. btw i'm only familiar with reDrum, not FL. but... isn't it kind of just a really dumbed down, looped MIDI editor? dunno why you'd opt for one of those just cuz it has square light-up buttons instead of red rectangles on a p-roll ; p

-[2]DAY_- wrote:how are u supposed to manipulate groove/velocity with a step sequencer, though?

I never understood this. btw i'm only familiar with reDrum, not FL. but... isn't it kind of just a really dumbed down, looped MIDI editor? dunno why you'd opt for one of those just cuz it has square light-up buttons instead of red rectangles on a p-roll ; p

in redrum you have some buttons on the unit that change the hit velocity, think there are 3 options, soft middle and hard or something. You also have a velocity button on each channel in redrum. Or, from the piano roll you can draw in the velocity changes.

Fl has many ways to change the velocity from the step sequencer also.

Ldizzy wrote:remember that we use samples... all of us.. even if they are recorded by us..

actually some of us synthesize our beats.

serox wrote:

-[2]DAY_- wrote:how are u supposed to manipulate groove/velocity with a step sequencer, though?

I never understood this. btw i'm only familiar with reDrum, not FL. but... isn't it kind of just a really dumbed down, looped MIDI editor? dunno why you'd opt for one of those just cuz it has square light-up buttons instead of red rectangles on a p-roll ; p

in redrum you have some buttons on the unit that change the hit velocity, think there are 3 options, soft middle and hard or something. You also have a velocity button on each channel in redrum. Or, from the piano roll you can draw in the velocity changes.

Fl has many ways to change the velocity from the step sequencer also.

Yeah FL has a velocity button on the top right hand corner of the drum sequencer. And I'll have to agree that it is really easy to program 4 or even 8 bar drum loops. From time to time I do dabble in the fpc for laying out some beats (because you can arrange the hits in the piano editor) but it's whatever you're comfortable with.

About the 1 & 3 comment it was a joke because if you listen to most dubstep (including brostep mostly) its 1, 3, and maybe a hat or something on every 8th note.

And I'm really digging the whole 3/4 kick pattern right now (rusko style) which adds some more shuffle and movement than the 1 & 3 kick snare.

therook wrote: And I'm really digging the whole 3/4 kick pattern right now (rusko style) which adds some more shuffle and movement than the 1 & 3 kick snare.

the what?:)

where is the kick/ snare in this pattern ^?

^^^ darn ur right, not everybody has to use samples... a lot of people use synths too...( including myself :S ... i make a lot of rythmic synth patches... ) ...

ahahah

some people could pretty much function with synths only.. thx ! I still feel like u could get the point im trying to make in my post tho ...

.....

now about FL.. fls step sequencer is very much evolved and i love it. there isnt only velocity control in the corner.... if u go to the upper right corner of its window, u can open a param menu for each channel that allows u to manipulate discrete pitch, velocity, pan, cut, res and shift for each notes that are drawn. simply scroll from left to right to change params... shift allows u to move ur sounds around in smaller increments instead of whole steps...

that + fls ultra powerful browser will have u getting crazy grooves in no time...

fl is a really really good groove construction machine. i miss it. :'(

also, if u ever come across a step sequencer that u feel is not flexible enough... another thing u could do is double the tempo and benefit from a higher resolution from the step sequencer (twice as precise)...

... dont hate on the strawberry

"night" and "i'll kut ya" (granted both are collabo's) are some of the best rhythm programming in all of dstep.

as are crunked up, electro musik, e-trips...

serox wrote:

therook wrote: And I'm really digging the whole 3/4 kick pattern right now (rusko style) which adds some more shuffle and movement than the 1 & 3 kick snare.

the what?:)

where is the kick/ snare in this pattern ^?

I think I got it wrong but its the 4/4 kick beat with the last kick either omitted or kept in

kick kick snare kick kick kick snare kick kick kick snare

therook wrote:

serox wrote:

therook wrote: And I'm really digging the whole 3/4 kick pattern right now (rusko style) which adds some more shuffle and movement than the 1 & 3 kick snare.

the what?:)

where is the kick/ snare in this pattern ^?

I think I got it wrong but its the 4/4 kick beat with the last kick either omitted or kept in

kick kick snare kick kick kick snare kick kick kick snare

That sounds even worse than kick 1 snare 3.

Like the most basic, thoughtless drum beat you could make.

serox wrote:

therook wrote:

serox wrote:

therook wrote: And I'm really digging the whole 3/4 kick pattern right now (rusko style) which adds some more shuffle and movement than the 1 & 3 kick snare.

the what?:)

where is the kick/ snare in this pattern ^?

I think I got it wrong but its the 4/4 kick beat with the last kick either omitted or kept in

kick kick snare kick kick kick snare kick kick kick snare

That sounds even worse than kick 1 snare 3.

Like the most basic, thoughtless drum beat you could make.

Or we could be like gabber and put a kick on every 1/16. Lots of life in those kicks. To each his own.

Ginz has some of the best drums around in my opinion, rather original to.

Scuba has the best drums in the world no contest

when i make a track with drums like Three sided shhape I will die happy

Agree. I jerk it to Benga's drums. Can't believe I didn't like him when I first started listening.

serox wrote: in redrum you have some buttons on the unit that change the hit velocity, think there are 3 options, soft middle and hard or something. You also have a velocity button on each channel in redrum. Or, from the piano roll you can draw in the velocity changes.

This.

therook wrote: kick kick snare kick kick kick snare kick kick kick snare

I knoooooow you waaaited alllll your liiiiiife
and fiiiiiinaaallyyyy you're heeeere with me toniiiight

DJ Crackle wrote:

therook wrote: kick kick snare kick kick kick snare kick kick kick snare

I knoooooow you waaaited alllll your liiiiiife
and fiiiiiinaaallyyyy you're heeeere with me toniiiight

lmao when i first read therooks post that tune came to mind.

hutyluty wrote:Scuba has the best drums in the world no contest

when i make a track with drums like Three sided shhape I will die happy

True say.

I've been making drums like Scuba non stop lately, all garagey swing and found sounds. Latch

el-b got me liking benga's stuff even more

+ his drums have that african riddim vibe to them... they duely step

Ldizzy wrote:el-b got me liking benga's stuff even more

+ his drums have that african riddim vibe to them... they duely step

how so?

EL-b's groove is better than benga to me..