Why do deep heads seem to hate on the hyped stuff so much?!

[dj $hy]

Yeah you dont ever really hear of people who start of by hearing the more deep side of things suddenly switch over to the filth. Whereas alot of people into the tearout then hear the deeper stuff and switch. I really dont know why, maybe its production value? Maybe its many other reasons?? I personally like both altho am getting into the deeper stuff lately and realising the tearout/filth is cool in small doses however you can enjoy and listen to the deep stuff alot longer.

I'm one of that small minority that started on earlier deeper things back in 07 when I first started listening to dub and dubstep, but doesn't mind a slam of mid range noise every now and again. Pretty much totally agree with you here though, the deeper dubstep tunes definitely you can play for longer, but sometimes a little bit of chaos is a good thing. Its been nice to just watch it evolve and grow, and if it wasn't for some of the filthier stuff that people spam on youtube then I would have alot fewer people to talk about dubstep with, alot of my friends I talk to about deeper things were originally filth mongerers. More people listening to deep dubstep as a result of first hearing some crap remix or a massive jump up circus tune is a good thing though, right?

True but dude if you got back 5-7 years when it was all deep the dancefloor was a very different place! Mainly people standing round doing the head nod dance! I tried to get many a friend into it back then and no one was having any of it... The classic "how'd you dance to it" used to piss me right off lol! Move forward to 2010 the dancefloor imo as a DJ is a great place to work! As much love as I have for the vibes of years gone by they are but memories now of a time when DJ's like Kode 9, Benga, Skream would do a set n walk straight round to the dancefloor n stay there rocking for the rest of the night!

[herbalicious]

Evertime i go to get involved in one of these threads I always end up stopping myself so not to offend...but, personally I think that if the production quality is poor, criticism is valid. The people that make deeper tunes tend to be the sorts of people that will pay more attention to layers, moods and intricacies of their production...

At the same time...I think a lot of people on here are quick to hate on producers, and label them as 'shit' simply because they don't like their style of music. Producers like Flux Pavillion/Trolley Snatcha/Emalkay/The Others etc may not make music to your taste, but I don't think you could actually say they are bad producers (mind you, my production knowledge is pretty limited ha). They're good at what they do.

But then...I do like some (or most in regards to The Others & Emalkay) of their stuff...so, I suppose it's subjective really. I'll go now...

[badger]

I mean how many empty sine wav deep tracks have you heard that are just terrible?! Just as much as the hard stuff yet the hype crowd don't seem to hate as much..?!

Funny thing is... The hype crowd seem to mainly be young right, the deeper seems to be older yet its the deep heads that are hating so much, almost acting like children to....children! Kinda funny imo!

totally agree with that. i guess the difference is that whilst a deep and a tearout track could be equally badly produced, a badly produced tearout one is probably going to end up sounding worse on the ears than the deep one.. and aside from that it fits in with the agenda of more fans who are intent on proving how much better their taste in music. a lot of these people act extremely childishly but i doubt they're actually more than a few years older than the hype crowd

[dj $hy]

Evertime i go to get involved in one of these threads I always end up stopping myself so not to offend...but, personally I think that if the production quality is poor, criticism is valid. The people that make deeper tunes tend to be the sorts of people that will pay more attention to layers, moods and intricacies of their production...

At the same time...I think a lot of people on here are quick to hate on producers, and label them as 'shit' simply because they don't like their style of music. Producers like Flux Pavillion/Trolley Snatcha/Emalkay/The Others etc may not make music to your taste, but I don't think you could actually say they are bad producers (mind you, my production knowledge is pretty limited ha). They're good at what they do.

But then...I do like some (or most in regards to The Others & Emalkay) of their stuff...so, I suppose it's subjective really. I'll go now...

Isnt that a bit of a stereotype tho? Personally I've heard a lot of terrible Mala wannabes that have no idea about production other than opening up reason, laying a kick n snare down n a sub n some gay flute! Swings both ways!

I agree that the music will ultimately do the talking, if a tunes good it will make it and doesn't really mater if one man doesn't like it cos at the end of the day one mans shit is another mans gold but for instance I do see a lot of comments from people who most prob havent even checked the tune saying its shit!

[herbalicious]

Evertime i go to get involved in one of these threads I always end up stopping myself so not to offend...but, personally I think that if the production quality is poor, criticism is valid. The people that make deeper tunes tend to be the sorts of people that will pay more attention to layers, moods and intricacies of their production...

At the same time...I think a lot of people on here are quick to hate on producers, and label them as 'shit' simply because they don't like their style of music. Producers like Flux Pavillion/Trolley Snatcha/Emalkay/The Others etc may not make music to your taste, but I don't think you could actually say they are bad producers (mind you, my production knowledge is pretty limited ha). They're good at what they do.

But then...I do like some (or most in regards to The Others & Emalkay) of their stuff...so, I suppose it's subjective really. I'll go now...

Isnt that a bit of a stereotype tho? Personally I've heard a lot of terrible Mala wannabes that have no idea about production other than opening up reason, laying a kick n snare down n a sub n some gay flute! Swings both ways!

I agree that the music will ultimately do the talking, if a tunes good it will make it and doesn't really mater if one man doesn't like it cos at the end of the day one mans shit is another mans gold but for instance I do see a lot of comments from people who most prob havent even checked the tune saying its shit!

Haha yeah yeah, I'm sure there are...but I haven't heard em. I dont' go through the dubs section or whatever...I buy music. A lot of music. And I come across far more shit jump up tunes than I do deeper tunes. If there were more shit deep tunes out there we'd be compaining abotu that too. I think a lot of people (like me) just wanna ehar good music. Be it a deep tune, an aggy tune, a funky tune or a garagey tune...Just the way it is. The fact that there are tunes out there that're poor quality (subjectively obviously) that are getting attention, fans and club/airplay is the frustrating part.

[brasco]

Majority of the released brostep tunes are well produced but i think a lot of the hate is due to the fact that the elements of the songs are boring: generic high pitch wobble with a standard kick, snare drum beat.

BTW bigups, I'm East Sussex!

Sussex crew representing

[dutty_switch]

Everything has its place, in my opinion. The mentality I can't seem to get my head around is "I personally don't like this music, therefore no one should be able to listen to it and all that do, shall be punished". Bit Stalinist if you ask me.

I'm not guilt-free. There are tunes where I've said "this is shit, the bass sounds like a dying digital pig" and suchlike, which isn't totally constructive, but thats cos I'm not a producer so I can't describe things musically, just as I hear it.

One thing I will bitch and moan about is this trend for bullshit remixes and bootlegs that have clearly had no thought put into them at all that seem to crop up every 10 minutes. It's open season on them.

I also think that the people who were here from the beginning get protective over the scene that they've nurtured. I can understand the argument that the apparent competition for who can make the most obnoxious, thoughtless noise goes against the ideas behind dubstep when it originally came about, but I think the abuse has become a bit too indiscriminate.

Each to their own at the end of the day though, I buys what I likes and I likes what I buys.

[herbalicious]

Majority of the released brostep tunes are well produced but i think a lot of the hate is due to the fact that the elements of the songs are boring: generic high pitch wobble with a standard kick, snare drum beat.

BTW bigups, I'm East Sussex!

Sussex crew representing

[singlepoint]

because its wubbish

[skotyb]

There is always elitists in any genre...

But some tearout is so fuckin' awful I do wanna kill myself.

But it's when they all get tarnished with the same brush, that it gets annoying.

There is really good aggy dubstep out there, it's when it's in context that it's at it's best.

Benton is great example of really good aggstep but just enough that it isn't too much.

I'm from a background of heavy music, so this argument interests me.

[JimmaJamJamie]

Majority of the released brostep tunes are well produced but i think a lot of the hate is due to the fact that the elements of the songs are boring: generic high pitch wobble with a standard kick, snare drum beat.

Funny thing is... The hype crowd seem to mainly be young right, the deeper seems to be older yet its the deep heads that are hating so much, almost acting like children to....children! Kinda funny imo!

BTW bigups, I'm East Sussex!

I think it because some of the shit, really badly produced brostep stuff gets recognition for being 'good'. Just look at Mt. Eden, Chrispy and all the other YouTube artists. They have millions of hits and there songs are dire but loadsa kids still want to hear them and ask for them when they go out clubbing.

I think that because of this the people that don't like these songs/can hear how bad they are, get annoyed with all the hype around the artists and therefore bitch about them seeing as they don't deserve the hype. Whereas if you look at Coki, he does some of the mentalist tunes in the scene but they are well produced and have interesting elements to them and thats why you hardly ever see people bitching about him.


Sussex crew!

[wizard_music]

i'm not gonna lie, i got into dubstep through listening to cockney thug and some dubstep allstars at a mates house, but mainly through shitty pop dubstep remixes on youtube. from that i got into deeper and deeper stuff and now i listen to and produce stuff like starkey, joker, slugabed, burial, kode9 etc etc. the reason why i hate bad tearout is cos the majority of these people suddenly get into dubstep now and just make a massive, harsh sounding badly produced piece of hype thats just designed to capitalise on the current hype. like skrillex. it's like what people on that thread were saying. 4 years ago, he was making emo/hardcore when it was really in and now that dubsteps really taking off (what with katy b, doctor p, chase n status, etc etc) he's making this? how convienient.....
it just seems half these tearout producer dont understand the spirit of dubstep. i've been going to shows for 3 years and listening to it for longer even tho i'm only 16 - and i've only just started producing it for a few months really. i don't see how someone with no clue of the culture behind it can come along and attempt to call their work dubstep.
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[Big MD]

i kinda understand people which are listening to more noysi stuff, they maybee don't have a space to turn it up loud with a good subwoofer. so the subbass aspect gets lost.

otherways i allso understand the moaners, emagine you go on rave, and the djs are playing all the same stuff - the hyped stuff. after a fiew hours it hurts in the ears, and it allso gets monotone.....

for me personally it has to be mixedup. i play deep stuff next to hype stuff, and this is for me the magic of dubstep. enjoying differend kinds of music, all at once on one party and the same system.

[Rahul]

I think the main reason is the production quality...many tearout tunes seem so repetetive. Also, many people these days think of dubstep and artists like mt eden and doctor p come to their minds. When you ask em if theyve heard any loefah mala etc..they dont have a clue who they are and when you show em some of those tunes..they are simply ignorant and say 'thats boring' or 'thats not dubstep..wers the filthy drop'. ...maybe tearout should be a whole new genre on its own, then every1 will be happy

[joeki]

There's just a completely different energy between the two styles.

I mean, dubstep is supposed to be an almost meditation experience. Hypnotic basslines with loads of room and headspace. Of course you can still combine that with more dance floor oriented stuff that has dub influences or comes from a more techno or break-inspired background. That's where the vibe of dubstep is at. Acts such as Girl Unit etc. are also proving that contemporary dubstep doesn't have to be dark. But it does need a few those key elements, key elements that for example set it appart from (jump-up) drum & bass or electro house.

Dubstep is not supposed to be drop after drop after drop, getting harder and "dirtier" as you people like to call it (but in the process losing all depth and space). It's just become one big pile of cack to be honest. A one-dimensional wall of noise that is going nowhere and leaves no space to manoeuvre. The only purpose it serves is the build-up of adrenaline.

I much prefer getting lost in an ocean of three-dimensional music that is less 'danceable'. That is my vision and that is why me as a 'deep head', doesn't like the 'hype' stuff one bit. The essence is getting lost.

[HamCrescendo]

Evertime i go to get involved in one of these threads I always end up stopping myself so not to offend...but, personally I think that if the production quality is poor, criticism is valid. The people that make deeper tunes tend to be the sorts of people that will pay more attention to layers, moods and intricacies of their production...

At the same time...I think a lot of people on here are quick to hate on producers, and label them as 'shit' simply because they don't like their style of music. Producers like Flux Pavillion/Trolley Snatcha/Emalkay/The Others etc may not make music to your taste, but I don't think you could actually say they are bad producers (mind you, my production knowledge is pretty limited ha). They're good at what they do.

But then...I do like some (or most in regards to The Others & Emalkay) of their stuff...so, I suppose it's subjective really. I'll go now...

Isnt that a bit of a stereotype tho? Personally I've heard a lot of terrible Mala wannabes that have no idea about production other than opening up reason, laying a kick n snare down n a sub n some gay flute! Swings both ways!

I used to say this alot a while ago as tearout was starting to get alot of shit, there was alot of shite "deep" stuff around but not so much now I think... those shit deep tracks were made by the same kind of people who make shit tearout, just the deeper lot got into it earlier when the bassweight sound was "the sound of dubstep."

Personally I like tearout, I think Rusko made some of the best dubstep tunes, but theres too much of it now, and alot of it isnt made for a system. My main prejudices against the sound come from being sat next to a fat stack vibing to a subby roller which then suddenly gets cut to a tearout tune and just losing that weight behind the sound... I've been in plastic people right hand stack loving the tune then a screecher will come on and those fucking tweeters in there kill your ears. Tearout that doesnt have a good sub underlying it just feels underwhelming when played in a set next to some proper underwater business.

[johnkimble]

I am a deep head

I don't hate on the hyped stuff

I try to produce deep stuff without trying to sound like Mala or Cyrus

I try to produce harder stuff without trying to sound like Jakes or Funtburialoefah

What does that make me?

[Widowmaker]

I am a deep head

I don't hate on the hyped stuff

I try to produce deep stuff without trying to sound like Mala or Cyrus

I try to produce harder stuff without trying to sound like Jakes or Funtburialoefah

What does that make me?

same as me ! haha

[skotyb]

I heard Mystikz for the first time on shitty pc speakers, and thought it was the most boring shit ever.

I heard Loefah for the first time on a sub and it blew my mind.

Unfortunately noobs don't know shit about sub.

[skitz_0]

My first exposure to dubstep was also through tunes like Cockney Thug and Eastern Jam, and I'd be lying if I said I won't dance like a madman on the floor if someone dropped those tunes. It wasn't until I heard Anti-War Dub on a proper sub that I realized what this was really about. The few parties I've done have had plenty of Emalkay, The Others, etc., and, IMO, a good number of the jump-up, hype tunes are well done and those artists deserve credit. But for the most part, tracks by Kryptic Minds, Truth, Mala get the most play and go off equally as hard as the others I mentioned. Actually, the last one we had, the tunes that went off the hardest were Cut End and Geddeon. Both got pulled up twice