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techno like any genre has its interesting and influential elements but i swear people on here only started loving up techno when that geeza remixed skreams tunes?... to be hounest i think there are more exciting genres out there to draw from...

ozols man wrote:i swear people on here only started loving up techno when that geeza remixed skreams tunes?

you've got to be fucking kidding me, right?

ozols man wrote:techno like any genre has its interesting and influential elements but i swear people on here only started loving up techno when that geeza remixed skreams tunes?... to be hounest i think there are more exciting genres out there to draw from...

More exciting, I don't know! Techno & Electro for me are the best forms of electronic music, not doing for me of late but I think it would do Dubstep no harm at all should a few elements of both genres sneak into it. I only recently have I discovered what Dubstep & Grime are all about and I think they're current sounds are pretty healthy, its kinda hard to tell though over here in Ireland, there isn't really a good Dubstep night where you can go and assess it and even if they're was the Big Boy'z of the scene are in England most weekends..........I'd like to see someone over here get a few big Dubstep names into venues with big systems!

juliun_c90 wrote:

ozols man wrote:i swear people on here only started loving up techno when that geeza remixed skreams tunes?

you've got to be fucking kidding me, right?

nah i aint... im pretty sure i read on here many times 'dubstep helped me learn about loads of other music' etc etc... lets face it, if TIESTO decided to start remixing the whole DMZ catalogue, i reckon ud hit up the audio section and ud hear nothing but tunes with mad trance synths in em..

ozols man wrote:

juliun_c90 wrote:

ozols man wrote:i swear people on here only started loving up techno when that geeza remixed skreams tunes?

you've got to be fucking kidding me, right?

nah i aint... im pretty sure i read on here many times 'dubstep helped me learn about loads of other music' etc etc... lets face it, if TIESTO decided to start remixing the whole DMZ catalogue, i reckon ud hit up the audio section and ud hear nothing but tunes with mad trance synths in em..

no way.


I have been listening to techno since about 1989. dj'ing it since 96.
I still like and dj a lot of it.

selector.dub.u wrote:

ozols man wrote:

juliun_c90 wrote:

ozols man wrote:i swear people on here only started loving up techno when that geeza remixed skreams tunes?

you've got to be fucking kidding me, right?

nah i aint... im pretty sure i read on here many times 'dubstep helped me learn about loads of other music' etc etc... lets face it, if TIESTO decided to start remixing the whole DMZ catalogue, i reckon ud hit up the audio section and ud hear nothing but tunes with mad trance synths in em..

no way.


I have been listening to techno since about 1989. dj'ing it since 96.
I still like and dj a lot of it.

fair play boss, i aint refering to everyone still... i just reckon some people only get into a genre of music cos key players r dabbling in it, theres nothing even wrong with that... just my observation..
safe

ozols man wrote:

selector.dub.u wrote:

ozols man wrote:

juliun_c90 wrote:

ozols man wrote:i swear people on here only started loving up techno when that geeza remixed skreams tunes?

you've got to be fucking kidding me, right?

nah i aint... im pretty sure i read on here many times 'dubstep helped me learn about loads of other music' etc etc... lets face it, if TIESTO decided to start remixing the whole DMZ catalogue, i reckon ud hit up the audio section and ud hear nothing but tunes with mad trance synths in em..

no way.


I have been listening to techno since about 1989. dj'ing it since 96.
I still like and dj a lot of it.

fair play boss, i aint refering to everyone still... i just reckon some people only get into a genre of music cos key players r dabbling in it, theres nothing even wrong with that... just my observation..
safe

yeah bro
i know what you are saying. there is some truth to it. but everyone needs a jumping off point to discover new and unfamiliar sounds.
so it is interesting to me to observe the 2 worlds intermingle a little and perhaps evolve into new forms.

ozols man wrote:techno like any genre has its interesting and influential elements but i swear people on here only started loving up techno when that geeza remixed skreams tunes?... to be hounest i think there are more exciting genres out there to draw from...

You mean when Skream remixed that geeza's tunes? Rather than vice versa. I can't say I've noticed many people getting keener on Techno since then, but maybe some people are now willing to give 4/4 a chance?

Oh and PS I like minimal. Put on some Robert Hood and stop telling me 'minimal' ruined techno. Techno has always been minimal.

4linehaiku wrote: Put on some Robert Hood and stop telling me 'minimal' ruined techno. Techno has always been minimal.

Word

4linehaiku wrote:Put on some Robert Hood and stop telling me 'minimal' ruined techno. Techno has always been minimal.

Wrong. Minimal Nation came out in '94, almost 10 years after the birth of techno. Don't try and tell us that the Belleville Three made minimal, they made techno. Minimal is just a strain that for some reason almost engulfed the entire scene.

ozols man wrote:techno like any genre has its interesting and influential elements but i swear people on here only started loving up techno when that geeza remixed skreams tunes?... to be hounest i think there are more exciting genres out there to draw from...

uhhh...well i can honestly say that i started "loving up techno" about 15 years ago. been spinning techno for 12 years and producing it for 5. so techno has always been my "first love" so to speak.

i got into dubstep about a year ago (because of some posts on a techno forum about dubstep that led me to here and to barefiles) and have learned about and followed all its delightful twists and turns, from the older garage influenced stuff, to halfstep to weird experimentally shit, to the more techno feel that is really grabbing me right now. i have played all these flavors of dubstep in techno sets, and people go apeshit. i am really enjoying the space BETWEEN dubstep and techno where they meet.

and keep in mind that if we are talking electronic music, a good chunk of your "more exciting genres" have their roots IN techno (points toward detroit). so umm...yeah...

as far as the "minimal" argument, i prefer the approach, rather than the strict genre identification. to me there is a difference. earlier techno WAS fairly minimal at least in its inception. back in the day, there weren't ten million software programs that you could drop a tune with. you shelled out for one or two pieces of gear and did everything you would with them. but i would argue tunes like "rhythim is rhythim" and "clear" are fairly minimal in construction (as someone pointed out, that means no unnecessary crap). rob hood...well he is the don, so i don't have to say anything.

but this current wave of "minimal" is an entirely different monster. instead of being a smart work method or music with no extra fluff, it became a "style" that some people stick to at the expense of interesting music. as i have said before, if i wanted to listen to something that sounds like a leaky faucet, i would stand in my kitchen. or as my buddy symmetric says, "less chitterbeep; more whompa!"

that said, there is a LOT of damn good techno being made right now, that straddles the minimal line, but keeps things moving and tweaky, and i am ok with that. add to that some crazy dubstep with some mad bottom end, and i am a happy girl.

I haven't really checked much techno recently just because there's so much of it and so many different sub-genres to explore. Used to buy a fair amount of it but found in the mid to late 90's that most places I ended up at that were playing techno were either going for the every tune with a 303 vibe (which killed that sound for me), or really banging stuff both of which left me cold. Bit like recent drum and bass nights I've been too (dnb heads don't take offense - I'm well aware there's good stuff out there that isn't getting represented enough).

The sort of stuff I like is Jeff Mills, the Advent, Underground Resistance, early Richie Hawtin, Surgeon (although I haven't really bought anything of his since Muggerscum Out), early Dave Clarke and that sort of thing.

Personally speaking I'm quite happy for as many styles to come into the dubstep sound and keep it open - fuck subgenres

sapphic_beats wrote:i would argue tunes like "rhythim is rhythim" and "clear" are fairly minimal in construction (as someone pointed out, that means no unnecessary crap). rob hood...well he is the don, so i don't have to say anything.

but this current wave of "minimal" is an entirely different monster. instead of being a smart work method or music with no extra fluff, it became a "style" that some people stick to at the expense of interesting music.

"minimal" now seems to mostly be used to describe an aesthetic in individual elements (crisp, truncated) rather than song structure, loop structure, or density of elements, and that distorts everything. as time goes by, it seems to reduce even further, to the point of just being about truncated drums...i hear tracks with massive, dominating, sweeping synthlines and you'll find them in the minimal techno section

a lot of boring shit gets made, which tarnishes the rest, because for me, in the thick of it, there are some people making some of the most exciting contemporary dance music. for people to say that its 'killing techno' is ridiculous to me, its just the most recent in a long line of extremely large, broad schools of dance music which start to become saturated, and cause backlash. its already polarising others to push in exciting new directions, and thus i imagine the process will continue. but regardless, to me its foolish to chuck the baby out with the bathwater, and even worse to dismiss the whole shebang with a broad brush

sapphic_beats wrote:as my buddy symmetric says, "less chitterbeep; more whompa!"

lol. i dont mind chitterbeep though

http://www.myspace.com/parsontechno for chitterbeep with whoomp

to be fair, you listen to a lot of the central players' minimal on a good soundsystem and its got some very major whoomp, its not enveloping sub, but its hard-hitting, fat low-end

elgato wrote:
"minimal" now seems to mostly be used to describe an aesthetic in individual elements (crisp, truncated) rather than song structure, loop structure, or density of elements, and that distorts everything. as time goes by, it seems to reduce even further, to the point of just being about truncated drums...i hear tracks with massive, dominating, sweeping synthlines and you'll find them in the minimal techno section

exactly. "minimal" is a scene rather than a adjective. Across all genre's there are some tunes that fail and others that suceed amazingly, whether or not a track works is independant of what it is classified as on discogs.

I sure hope dubstep doesn't go too far into techno in the future. That's the ultimate departure from grime and UKG really - streetdom to nerddom.

Sick Boy wrote:I sure hope dubstep doesn't go too far into techno in the future. That's the ultimate departure from grime and UKG really - streetdom to nerddom.

hey! i resemble that remark!!

techno is street music

it came from the detroit ghettos