"Heavy" or "Deep dubstep"

[th@-pu$$y]

well now that i've played the moderate card disclaimer
look at the shelf life on the stuff you'd call deep or heavy, vs the dancefloor oriented or bro stuff
same can apply to any genre, you don't hear too many dance oriented stuff being regarded as timeless or popping up in mixes after a few months

I respectfully disagree. I still hear ppl playing Bar-9 shaolin and older tunes of that face melter nature quite often.( Gunstab-guts, Jakes-rock tha bells) I just think the chiller stuff is seen as more timeless than hard stuff cuz its been around longer.

[deadly_habit]

like i said rare, and often not lumped in the b card shit
heavy and had often doesn't apply to the pop b card shit
hell current value, balkansky, machine code etc they're not brocode bs, but heavy hard and not deep
more extreme than distance and say vex'd but where do they fall? i put originators like bar-9 there too
the copycats and clones fall under the b card
more people use this term b card = brostep )

[th@-pu$$y]

Fair enough

[jaydot]

I remember seeing bar 9 18 months ago but not really knowing who they were lol. (before I really got into dubstep)

[deadly_habit]

Fair enough

there's a load of subdivisions sound wise atm, just seems to be two general labels for rather vague sounds battling it out net wise is one of the main issues
even in the deeper more traditional side i'd say the 4x4 and juke stuff is becoming it's own and a diff branch for example

[th@-pu$$y]

there's a load of subdivisions sound wise atm, just seems to be two general labels for rather vague sounds battling it out net wise is one of the main issues

I totally agree here..........It's actually pretty exausting to try to keep up with all this sub genre shit all the time. Bro, Chill, Club, drum, and so on.

[legend4ry]

For me, a good track boils down into 3 categories.

Great production.

Being musically strong.

Structurally DJ friendly but interesting.

If you can portray that in any track despite the vibe you're going for, it'll be a great tune.

Personally, I find it hard to process sounds so I would say I find tear out harder to produce though - I have made a couple of scorchers!

Its a person-by person basis... What about the guys who use midi-synth sounds but make absolutely amazin' music - they might not be great sound designers but they're bloody brilliant musicians I don't care what anyone says.. You make music what play to your strengths... I bet a lot of great sound designers find it hard to make musical stuff (unless they're great musicians, of course!)

[deadly_habit]

fuck it distinct sounds i've heard

future aka classic garage:


glitch hop


4x4/80s


juke


bro


hard


dark


purple


breakstep


off the top of my head all the diff sub styles and tunes i love

[deadly_habit]

oh and before the drumstep or autonomic heads chime in, those are dnb sub genres if you ask me
though i don't class either

[legend4ry]

not forgetting Hiphop too - Deadly!

[deadly_habit]

not forgetting Hiphop too - Deadly!

yea ffs the tune in my sig is hip hop and posted some matty g earlier, i'd class the el-p shit as influential though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQQduZxVDc&ob=av2el
my fave indy subversive beat and vid
http://www.discogs.com/El-P-Weareallgoi ... ter/268956 for first use of ug hiphop dubstep

[paravrais]

Deadly I feel like you kinda undermined the very point you were trying to make by posting all those examples XD there are so many more styles within dubstep than just what you posted O.o What about the stuff kaiori and Trip have been putting out? or old school Mala/DMZ etc? or dark garage like Synkro/Burial? or what category would 'I Need Air' by Magnetic Man fall under? That's firmly on the pop side of things if you ask me. Basically Dubstep is too diverse to try and pigeonhole subgenres. Just like DnB is, I mean people still try but it doesn't really work. The idea of 'drumstep' just makes me scratch my head because people seem to only use it to describe the stuff that sounds like noisia at half time when really half time drum & bass is as diverse as dubstep really. Stuff like Randomer or Instra:Mental is totally different from Reso's 'Drumstep'

Anyway...I don't really know what point we are making here but I just wanted to say, it's easy to tell what genre something is, be it Dubstep or Breakbeat or Electro or whatever, but past that you really have to take it song by song cos trying to lump things together anymore is just silly. Meh.

[deadly_habit]

there are places to categorize shit i didnt name peeps from around here for a reason just general, if you dont agree ok
forgot garage sorry

[paravrais]

I just think your leaving out a LOT of stuff. Either just say Dubstep is Dubstep and Garage is Garage or if your gonna boil it down to sub genres then do it properly and actually list them ALL. Cos I'm pretty sure there's a lot more than 11 different possible categories of original work accross the whole spectrum of Dubstep and Garage...



Maybe I've misunderstood what your trying to do here but if not I really don't get it :\

[AllNightDayDream]

What's the point of trying to lay out all these sub-genres? Shit varies tune to tune. The only reason there are these sub-genres and shit is so you can describe a tune to someone who hasn't heard it. Other than that I don't see the point of trying to put everything into different boxes.

For example I can see how historically you could say dubstep evolved from garage when it turned darker, minimal, and you started hearing that wub (which I think may be the sole reason for the birth of the genre). Other than that though I don't get where people who say dubstep is downtempo garage are coming from, because most tunes these days have very little to do with garage.

Either way this thread is kinda messy

[Basic A]

What is harder to produce?

In my opinion they're as hard as each other to produce. You have to convey emotion in a "deeper" track, whereas there's a lot of bass processing and whatnot going on in the heavier tracks. Thoughts?

Not about which is harder... Hiphop or Miami Bass, which is harder?

Nah, anything youchoose to produce is going to have its technicals and intricacies... They're just going to be different from place to place... Make sense? Deep heads want melodies and clever/unique sounds, filth listeners want tearout digibass... Breakbeat/DnB/Hiphop types are more audiophiles and want subtleties and imperfections, house listeners want a certain something about thier sidechaining...

Productions tuff no matter where you go, its about weighing what you enjoy the sound of, and what you enjoy creating, then you consider its technical yes's and no's, choose which to obey and which to break, and develop your own sound in the end.



@Deadly Habits first post, right under O.P. ...

[deadly_habit]

[Kes-Es]

Personally, I find it hard to process sounds so I would say I find tear out harder to produce though - I have made a couple of scorchers!

I never understand why people immediately think you have to resample and split frequency and all that other processing nonsense to get decent brostep sounds, I don't do any of that at all, all my sounds come straight out of albino and I get a lot of ups on them. I tend to think the vast majority of Tearout production is OVERcomplicated, especially around here, I don't know exactly what the pros are doing, but I reckon a few of them got together and made up a bunch of really complicated production techniques to take the piss out of everyone trying to copy them.



As for this question, I produce both and it depends on my mood which one is easier, I think people have built a wall between them in their heads but it's all production and composing, you can have all the technique in the world and still be a shitty songwriter in either genre.


Never did grasp the varied percussion in deep stuff though.

[deadly_habit]

[legend4ry]

Personally, I find it hard to process sounds so I would say I find tear out harder to produce though - I have made a couple of scorchers!

I never understand why people immediately think you have to resample and split frequency and all that other processing nonsense to get decent brostep sounds, I don't do any of that at all, all my sounds come straight out of albino and I get a lot of ups on them. I tend to think the vast majority of Tearout production is OVERcomplicated, especially around here, I don't know exactly what the pros are doing, but I reckon a few of them got together and made up a bunch of really complicated production techniques to take the piss out of everyone trying to copy them.



As for this question, I produce both and it depends on my mood which one is easier, I think people have built a wall between them in their heads but it's all production and composing, you can have all the technique in the world and still be a shitty songwriter in either genre.


Never did grasp the varied percussion in deep stuff though.

I didn't even mean resampling or frequency splitting I am quite bad at using fx apart from reverb and phasers.. I have Amplitube and just flick through presets till I find something nice for distortion and things like that, its one of those things I can never get "right".