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brasco wrote:

Sparxy wrote: Wish people could just love the tunes for what they are

Sorry, I can never like stuff like this. It's gone to far

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=179775

Jump up stuff can be great, but where do you draw the line

Oh yeah i'm not saying you have to like everything. There are many songs out there that are just shit, and you've shown us one of them right there!
But the early Rusko stuff, Jakes, alot of Excision's stuff, hell even alot of the stuff on Circus records (not all of it) has it's place in the dance IMO.

i like brostep compared to hype stuff. there is nothing wrong with a well produced banger. ill take that over a remixed pop song any day

i used to knock excision a lot, then i heard ''hypothermic''. yeah, he's not the best producer out there but..i'd probably admit to him being the best of the bro step category. he's got his own style, i respect that. and he can obviously do more then high frequency wobbles.so, if we don't like it we can just move on.

cosmic surgeon wrote: Perhaps seeing the North American sound as a direct link from when Coki started making demented tunes is false then. It seems like a plausible suggestion that the "N-Type" sound is of an entirely different ilk to the Rottun recordings sound. Doubtless there's some cross over (Doctor P, Trolley Snatcha, etc.) but the stuff typically considered "brostep", like Datsik, Excision, and so on, does sound almost like a completely different genre of music - and if Excision was creating this stuff in 2005 it more than likely is a different thread entirely.

There certainly does seem to be some divergence in those who make use of the mid-range sound, and to see them all as part of the same thread is probably mistaken. Jakes, for example, seems much closer to Coki then someone like Downlink.

I agree with this and I think that's why a lot of them seem to be gravitating towards what's referred to as Drumstep since it's better suited to making aggressive dancefloor-style music. I noticed a lot of people experimenting with Drumstep from the D&B world (Heist, for example) have so little space between the beats and guys with Hip-Hop backgrounds like Bassnectar and DatsiK tend to give their sound more room.

joeki wrote: Whereas, Doctor P and some in his footsteps, such as Flux Pavillion have just slowed down Jump-up D&B down to 140 BPM's.
I think the excision-datsik-downlink etc. kind of sound is a different genre all together, albeit influenced by dubstep.
Needless to say, I don't listen to the bottom two at all anymore

Yeah, I agree. Especially the part regarding Flux and Doctor P sounding like slowed down d&b.
I also agree that you could say that the Rutton's stuff is kind of in a realm of its own, but none of the people hyping it up around me seem to view it as such.

The brostep thing is funny. I experienced a delayed effect probably because I'm in the Southeast US.
Tear-out tunes where being produced a year ago, and dj's played them in their sets at parties and raves that I frequented, but their was no brostepping. The tunes were coupled with classics and all was right. Then out of no where I went to a party a month after I had been to a good one, and their were significantly more people (especially men) wildly dancing in front of the dj. He played off the vibes and it was all thrashing madness.

It was almost overnight.
I remember showing someone some tunes by Pinch, and they thought it was neat but clearly disregarded them.
A couple months later they were like
"OMG I'm going to see Bassnectar! Have you ever heard of Rusko!"

heres what excision was listening to in 06:

Ramandan Man - Dynamic (unsigned Dub)
Distance - Replicant
Distance - Cyclops
Distance - Empire
Skream - Traitor
Distance - Trust My Logic
Search & Destroy - Anger
Reso - Curse (unsigned Dub)
Mark one - Ready for it
Vex'd - Thunder
Skream - Lightning
Emalkay - Frequency
Docwra - Grit Trench (unsigned Dub)
Mark One - From deep
Docwra - Dropping Bombs (unsigned Dub)
Distance - 1 on 1
Loefah - Goat stare
Vex'd - Angels
Distance - Traffic
Ekaros - Bass Train (unsigned Dub)
Skream - Rottan
Headhunter - 7th curse
N-type - Misunderstood
Mushug - 2012 (unsigned Dub)

http://minimu.blogia.com/2006/072801-ex ... x-2006.php

his sound is his vision.

Excisions "Hypothermic" is a pretty solid tune I'll give him that. Komonazmuk remix too if I remember correctly.

Hope this gets a lot of 'haters' off Rusko's back, he comes off very well in this interview. Always found it unfair how he seems to be the one who gets all the shit for 'brostep' when it was those who came after him who took it to unbearable levels. Big up Rusky.

I think people are too busy creating names for this genre.

Personally if I think the tune is good then i´ll listen to it whether it´s Skream, Datsik, Loefah or Ramandan Man

But I have to admit alot of this so called brostep thing is really really shitty.
Don´t get me wrong I love alot of things in "brostep" but my god in the last 24 months there have been some really bad tunes coming out.

kstof wrote:Hope this gets a lot of 'haters' off Rusko's back, he comes off very well in this interview. Always found it unfair how he seems to be the one who gets all the shit for 'brostep' when it was those who came after him who took it to unbearable levels. Big up Rusky.

I have never understood the hatred towards Rusko.

Atlistuta wrote:

kstof wrote:Hope this gets a lot of 'haters' off Rusko's back, he comes off very well in this interview. Always found it unfair how he seems to be the one who gets all the shit for 'brostep' when it was those who came after him who took it to unbearable levels. Big up Rusky.

I have never understood the hatred towards Rusko.

I'm in two minds about him, I think its safe to say that some off his old tracks definitely can build up energy in a dance and you can tell he had a lot of fun making the tracks. As the scene developed into more of a mid-range sound it seemed as if he didn't want to get left behind.
I still don't really understand the people who complain at him for "selling out". Asif anyone would turn down large amounts of money for making music, Rusko's paid his dues in my opinion let the man live comfortably. Even if he's making pretty crap music these days what does it matter? Were not forced to listen to him.

(speaking mostly about the harder shit)

you have to understand the North America drum and bass scene to understand where it came from. For North America it was more about making 140bpm drum and bassish tunes than emulating an existing tune. Literally 90% of the North American dubstep scene is ex-drum and bass fall outs.

People didnt hear coki and go "oh shit" and go make a brostep tune. They heard dubstep and took their influences from North American skullstep/techstep/etc and did dubstep with that sound.

Evol Intent, Hive, Cause 4 Concern, Tech Itch, Freak Recordings, etc the harder shit that was big in north america in 2005/6 is where that sound came from. Had little to do with rusko.

Dubstep as a whole making 140bpm popular influenced north america to make that type of music at 140bpm. Rusko, coki, jakes, could have never existed and the same sound would have eventually come out of North America because North Americans love heavier distorted dance music.

That and the halfstep dnb (which was huge in the US and Canada) around at the time of dubsteps inception made the bridge very logical

Donny and Current Values - The Drill had as much to do with brostep as anything... you could probably drop it at any dubstep show in north america and the place would lose their shit.

about 2005 when I first started hearing about dubstep the biggest shit in my record bag was the police state ep.

listen to Evol Intent- Street Knowledge and see if you can't make the connection to an american hearing dubstep and street knowledge and see if the connection doesnt make a blatantly obvious example of what most people label as 'brostep'.

In my opinion the idea of 140bpm dance music + north american tastes in drum and bass is where the sound came from. I personally thought cockney thug was pretty shit tbh thought its grown on me a bit.

Dieselboy has good taste. What... Had ? Okay.

Rönin wrote:Dieselboy has good taste. What... Had ? Okay.

Dudes coming up on 18 years of repping drum and bass for the states, and is one of a handfull of people responsible for taking drum and bass global. I'd pick a better target to talk shit about.

Jakes wrote:I still bring some swagger

I think this is well important

Dubstep is groove man, low slung, sexy rhythms, which Jakes has in spades and Dr P doesn't.

pkay wrote:

Rönin wrote:Dieselboy has good taste. What... Had ? Okay.

Dudes coming up on 18 years of repping drum and bass for the states, and is one of a handfull of people responsible for taking drum and bass global. I'd pick a better target to talk shit about.

I saw him last summer and he killed it dropping crazy tech step, jump-up and even liquid. Insane set. The guys DJ skillz are unmatched.

Dark Reign wrote:

pkay wrote:

Rönin wrote:Dieselboy has good taste. What... Had ? Okay.

Dudes coming up on 18 years of repping drum and bass for the states, and is one of a handfull of people responsible for taking drum and bass global. I'd pick a better target to talk shit about.

I saw him last summer and he killed it dropping crazy tech step, jump-up and even liquid. Insane set. The guys DJ skillz are unmatched.

The only dj as far as crisp perfection that has ever come close is Andy C. At that point its just a matter of what type of drum and bass do you like.

One of the coolest dudes in the game as well.

joeki wrote:Excisions "Hypothermic" is a pretty solid tune I'll give him that. Komonazmuk remix too if I remember correctly.

Komonazmuk remix is a good 'un. goin to look that out.

pkay wrote:about 2005 when I first started hearing about dubstep the biggest shit in my record bag was the police state ep.

listen to Evol Intent- Street Knowledge and see if you can't make the connection to an american hearing dubstep and street knowledge and see if the connection doesnt make a blatantly obvious example of what most people label as 'brostep'.

In my opinion the idea of 140bpm dance music + north american tastes in drum and bass is where the sound came from. I personally thought cockney thug was pretty shit tbh thought its grown on me a bit.

Thanks for the insight. This is probably my favorite post on this forum, really opened my eyes to a lot of things that in hindsight seem so obvious.