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I think you are underplaying the size of the scene in order to make your point. I would have thought that the key labels are selling at least 500, which is significantly more than 50 and invalidates your points somewhat.

RickyRicardo wrote:I think people are resistant b/c there is already something called "breakstep", which is what dubmugga pointed out earlier. When I think 'breakstep', I think of DeeKline, early Bingo, Hardcore Beats, Killa Dark, etc....

And more importantly than any of the cheesey jump-up you mentioned is the wonderful Oris Jay. I'd say current breakstep owes a lot to Oris Jay, and I never heard him calling himself dubstep. Fact is, they are two different styles, that deserves 2 different names. If you can't hear that, then listen! Are you deaf, or just stupid?

Its all uk garage anyway.

geoff wrote:

RickyRicardo wrote:I think people are resistant b/c there is already something called "breakstep", which is what dubmugga pointed out earlier. When I think 'breakstep', I think of DeeKline, early Bingo, Hardcore Beats, Killa Dark, etc....

And more importantly than any of the cheesey jump-up you mentioned is the wonderful Oris Jay. I'd say current breakstep owes a lot to Oris Jay, and I never heard him calling himself dubstep. Fact is, they are two different styles, that deserves 2 different names. If you can't hear that, then listen! Are you deaf, or just stupid?

Its all uk garage anyway.

Agreed!

To me "breakstep" is S & D, Toasty, Darqwan, Dubchild, Jammin etc etc
"Dubstep" - Skream, DMZ, Kode9, Benny Ill etc etc

:yawn

Something tells me that you're one of those people that calls Black Ops tunes "sublow"....

I mean, honestly, the line that would constitute what is "dubstep" and what is "breakstep" is so blurry that there is not even a point in making the distinction.

"Changes" is breaky...but it's a DMZ tune, so is it dubstep??
"Lightning Dub" has friggin amens...so is that breakstep??

WHO CARES??

RickyRicardo wrote::yawn

Something tells me that you're one of those people that calls Black Ops tunes "sublow"....

RickyRicardo wrote:I think people are resistant b/c there is already something called "breakstep", which is what dubmugga pointed out earlier. When I think 'breakstep', I think of DeeKline, early Bingo, Hardcore Beats, Killa Dark, etc....

Spin the genre wheel, and try again ....Or better yet, step away from the wheel, altogether.

actually bro, back in the day (2000-2001) people called that early stuff 'breakbeat garage' and not 'breakstep' (which refers to the new school productions of S&D, breaky Distance etc).

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breakstep, dubstep, jumpstep, bumpstep ???

humpstep??

^ ^ yeah I would say that, those early Bingo/Hardcore beats tunes were then classed as breakbeat garage, before the "bassline breaks" scene came together (as opposed to what is now known as "plodstep" lol) ... breakstep, although in some ways very much related to breaks, is quite different in feeling/style.

I would say the main difference is rhythmic structure, in general breakstep tunes have off-beat / syncopated rhythms, whereas breaks tunes are generally based on a 2-step or housey rhythm (i.e. snare on the 2 and 4).

There is a clear distinction between dubstep, breakstep, grime styles... but there are also tunes that blur the bounderies. At the end of the day its all music, go with what you feel.

Blackdown wrote: actually bro, back in the day (2000-2001) people called that early stuff 'breakbeat garage' and not 'breakstep' (which refers to the new school productions of S&D, breaky Distance etc).

I heard about as many people calling it "breakstep" as "breakbeat garage" back then. That term didn't just materialize within the last 2 1/2 years....

More than one of the promo inserts (I don't know the technical name), for early Bingo tunes were using the term "breakstep" as a description. The term caught on to some degree in this area (especially amongst breaks DJ's who were slipping tunes like 138 trek into their sets) , so maybe it's a regional bias.

elemental wrote:There is a clear distinction between dubstep, breakstep, grime styles... but there are also tunes that blur the bounderies. At the end of the day its all music, go with what you feel.

Exactly. I'm not saying there isn't any difference in the sounds....just that it may be a little early to start drawing our lines in the sand.

I agree with breakstep as artists like Search & Destroy, Distance, Dub Child, Darqwan etc. Just as an example.

Nu school breaks is for me, more like Meat Katie, Rennie Pilgrem, Autobots, etc... Can't listen to that...

RickyRicardo wrote:I'm not saying there isn't any difference in the sounds....just that it may be a little early to start drawing our lines in the sand.

A little early? How long do you want to wait? Dubstep and breakstep are at least 4 years old, maybe more, depending on where you draw the lines.

I think people should just let the music have a natural progression. Play what you want, with what you want, from whoever you want and represent the music as a whole. Far too much time is spent debating what the music is or isnt. It is what it is. Wiley asked the initial question "What do you call it?" still that question doesnt seem to of been answered. But quite frankly I dont care. Personally I dont like to pingeon hole myself I play music I like even fullstop. It doesnt matter if it has dubby, breaky, electro, 2-step, jungle etc etc influences, if I think its big Im gonna play it.

Do what you do and keep on doing it.

Whether it be Grime, Dubstep, Breakstep, Gothstep, Oingy Boingy, Congo, Sublow, Eski etc etc etc etc. Just rep what you rep.

Distinction wrote:I think people should just let the music have a natural progression. Play what you want, with what you want, from whoever you want and represent the music as a whole. Far too much time is spent debating what the music is or isnt. It is what it is. Wiley asked the initial question "What do you call it?" still that question doesnt seem to of been answered. But quite frankly I dont care. Personally I dont like to pingeon hole myself I play music I like even fullstop. It doesnt matter if it has dubby, breaky, electro, 2-step, jungle etc etc influences, if I think its big Im gonna play it.

Do what you do and keep on doing it.

Whether it be Grime, Dubstep, Breakstep, Gothstep, Oingy Boingy, Congo, Sublow, Eski etc etc etc etc. Just rep what you rep.

Bang on the money there Distiction, I play what I play. We are at the start of something special and what is the point in "drawing lines in the sand"

Distinction wrote:I think people should just let the music have a natural progression. Play what you want, with what you want, from whoever you want and represent the music as a whole. Far too much time is spent debating what the music is or isnt. It is what it is. Wiley asked the initial question "What do you call it?" still that question doesnt seem to of been answered. But quite frankly I dont care. Personally I dont like to pingeon hole myself I play music I like even fullstop. It doesnt matter if it has dubby, breaky, electro, 2-step, jungle etc etc influences, if I think its big Im gonna play it.

Do what you do and keep on doing it.

Whether it be Grime, Dubstep, Breakstep, Gothstep, Oingy Boingy, Congo, Sublow, Eski etc etc etc etc. Just rep what you rep.

word !!!!!!

Its all underground dance music - thats as far as it needs defining imo.

DJ $hy wrote:

Distinction wrote:I think people should just let the music have a natural progression. Play what you want, with what you want, from whoever you want and represent the music as a whole.

...

Do what you do and keep on doing it.

Bang on the money there Distiction, I play what I play. We are at the start of something special and what is the point in "drawing lines in the sand"

Yes, 100%

Electronic music has been splitting and splitting into genres since the ecstasy explosion, the same as guitar music since the 50s. People need to pidgeonhole music in order to talk about it. Genres which form stronger memetic influence benefit from it- people begin to wear the "team colours", their favourite genre, and tend to find out everything they can about their "team".

There's a certain pleasure and comfort that can be derived from knowing everything there is to know about Dubstep. The problem is, these days, almost every tune is a genre in itself, so any tune might become a genre-defining moment. The goalposts are always moving!

also:
Have you noticed how people who don't listen to music much say "I like all sorts of music"?

andythetwig wrote: Have you noticed how people who don't listen to music much say "I like all sorts of music"?

Thats just cos they know you're into music and don't want to say " all i've got is the Beatles "Number 1s" and one of those David Gray albums - the one with that "Babylon" song on it. Oh, and I taped CD:UK last week..."
Thats my experience anyway.
Theres an equation for it - if cost of Stereo System= >morethan combined second-hand value of all their records/cds, they probably fall into this category.

I knew a guy who had a £190 stereo and only one record. No Joke!

Its also probably because they don't know the difference (or care) between emo rock/garage punk/grime/grindcore/breakcore/hardcore/softcore etc.
Which isn't necessarily a bad thing! (see other very long threads on this forum)

To conclude: I like all sorts of music. And I actually do! Just not every sort, or all of any particular sort.

What the fuck am I jabbering about.....

C'MON THE JAM-TARTS!

andythetwig wrote:Electronic music has been splitting and splitting into genres since the ecstasy explosion, the same as guitar music since the 50s. People need to pidgeonhole music in order to talk about it. Genres which form stronger memetic influence benefit from it- people begin to wear the "team colours", their favourite genre, and tend to find out everything they can about their "team".

There's a certain pleasure and comfort that can be derived from knowing everything there is to know about Dubstep. The problem is, these days, almost every tune is a genre in itself, so any tune might become a genre-defining moment. The goalposts are always moving!

also:
Have you noticed how people who don't listen to music much say "I like all sorts of music"?

agreed. always changing. i think it's important to add that the reason why scene's come up with catchphrases are two fold. 1. it help's journalists and promoters promote the sound. 2. it give's people something to rally round.
both points are even more important when you're trying to promote the sound in an country that isn't electronica friendly. electronica and dance music in the UK is an industry. here in america pop and hip hop dominate. every country has different problems, but ultimately having an agreed upon name is better for everyone.