Dubstepforum.com

you can buy a 21inch MT screen for 150e

no reason to buy anything from apple i'd say. Hopefully twisted tools will release a .ens or a "player"version of the performer. In any case, you can hook up any of the parameters of buffeater to your own UI anyway.

I hope the i-pad is, just like the i-phone, just a hype for the hipsters, so another company supporting open source(in the smartphone's case google) will take over and make it affordable and usable for consumers and developers (without selling their soul to apple).

thor_beatz wrote:you can buy a 21inch MT screen for 150e

I hope the i-pad is, just like the i-phone, just a hype for the hipsters, so another company supporting open source(in the smartphone's case google) will take over and make it affordable and usable for consumers and developers (without selling their soul to apple).

Totally agree, open source is the way.. does the MT on that screen , you got a link? found one for 400euro (or were you saying apporximatly)


Also would it benefit Dsf for a thread on how to make your own touch/motion tracking midi control devices? or has it been talked about before?

only mention it as i couldnt find the video i used a few years back by reasonmaster on youtube so would proberly make my own tut if i couldnt find one (there are blatenly loads out there tho hence why im asking if it would benefit the community)

plus Iboard! its like the ipad but BIGGGER!

You can say screw Apple all you want. You can claim their products for hipsters all you want. Last time I checked I wasn't a hipster and I love my iPhone. anyway the developers are working with iOS. Maybe they will release a year down the road for other formats, maybe not. Buy a Xoom and cross your fingers. Buying just a screen to hook up to your computer lol I hope you have some programming skills other wise you won't be able to do shit with it.

Mad EP wrote:

paravrais wrote:I don't like it, sure it looks kinda cool but it feels very gimmicky to me. Can't see it having any real practical use in the long run.

That's exactly what people originally said about computers, synthesizers & drum machines.

That's a bit unfair XD It's not like I'm demonising all new technology :s I just don't think fancy looking ambient touchscreen controllers are particularly practical. There's a lot of technology about at the moment to be very excited about but the iPad really doesn't do it for me. I don't hate touch screen in general, it's got a lot of really great uses I'm sure. But things like this just don't feel like they were made for musicians. I'd love to have a go on one at a party but I'd never actually use one in production.

abZ wrote:You can say screw Apple all you want. You can claim their products for hipsters all you want. Last time I checked I wasn't a hipster and I love my iPhone. anyway the developers are working with iOS. Maybe they will release a year down the road for other formats, maybe not. Buy a Xoom and cross your fingers. Buying just a screen to hook up to your computer lol I hope you have some programming skills other wise you won't be able to do shit with it.

hehe, thanks for proving my point. There are loads and loads of UI programs that work perfect with MT. All you need is midi (or in some cases also OSC) and have the ability to assigning them to simple building blocks, no coding skills or rocket science needed. Any argument about apps being ported to android or not is irrelevant tbh. I was referring to a much more fundamental objection. Being; ironically the fact that apple screws you

Paying extra to have a apple logo on your gear, to have no (real) multitasking support, no USB, no flash (yeah yeah html5 rules, if it only was supported by the remaining 90% of the interwebs), leads me to conclude it being a hipster motive or just being ill informed. Which would explain why you did not know about the any open source UI programs.

Fbac wrote:

thor_beatz wrote:you can buy a 21inch MT screen for 150e

I hope the i-pad is, just like the i-phone, just a hype for the hipsters, so another company supporting open source(in the smartphone's case google) will take over and make it affordable and usable for consumers and developers (without selling their soul to apple).

Totally agree, open source is the way.. does the MT on that screen , you got a link? found one for 400euro (or were you saying apporximatly)


Also would it benefit Dsf for a thread on how to make your own touch/motion tracking midi control devices? or has it been talked about before?

only mention it as i couldnt find the video i used a few years back by reasonmaster on youtube so would proberly make my own tut if i couldnt find one (there are blatenly loads out there tho hence why im asking if it would benefit the community)

plus Iboard! its like the ipad but BIGGGER!

Check out http://nuigroup.com/forums for anything and everyhting about DIY MT projects.

I also wrote an article about MT long before the I-pad arrived for humanworkshop - http://www.humanworkshop.com/index.php? ... es&item=99

And yes, a new thread on this would be nice. I've seen a couple of threads about the subjecct and there are some really nifty folks around, so the more info merrier!

The MT screen for 150 was a iiyama HD screen 21 inch, from paradigit(NL) in 2010. They now only sell the newer 23inch LCD HD variant for 220euros though

thor_beatz wrote:

abZ wrote:You can say screw Apple all you want. You can claim their products for hipsters all you want. Last time I checked I wasn't a hipster and I love my iPhone. anyway the developers are working with iOS. Maybe they will release a year down the road for other formats, maybe not. Buy a Xoom and cross your fingers. Buying just a screen to hook up to your computer lol I hope you have some programming skills other wise you won't be able to do shit with it.

hehe, thanks for proving my point. There are loads and loads of UI programs that work perfect with MT. All you need is midi (or in some cases also OSC) and have the ability to assigning them to simple building blocks, no coding skills or rocket science needed. Any argument about apps being ported to android or not is irrelevant tbh. I was referring to a much more fundamental objection. Being; ironically the fact that apple screws you

Paying extra to have a apple logo on your gear, to have no (real) multitasking support, no USB, no flash (yeah yeah html5 rules, if it only was supported by the remaining 90% of the interwebs), leads me to conclude it being a hipster motive or just being ill informed. Which would explain why you did not know about the any open source UI programs.

JFC, apple is making you pay extra? Show me a cheaper pad. And don't say your screen is cheaper, you will have to figure in the cost of the PC to attach to it. It doesn't have true multi-tasking so what? You will be using one program at a time with it. No flash, what does that have to do with making music? FWIW I get around fine without it on my phone. So I can't view certain porn sites, big deal. Anyway they will be all html5 soon. You are welcome to do it your way but please don't call me a hipster.

thor_beatz wrote:
hehe, thanks for proving my point. There are loads and loads of UI programs that work perfect with MT. All you need is midi (or in some cases also OSC) and have the ability to assigning them to simple building blocks, no coding skills or rocket science needed. Any argument about apps being ported to android or not is irrelevant tbh. I was referring to a much more fundamental objection. Being; ironically the fact that apple screws you

Paying extra to have a apple logo on your gear, to have no (real) multitasking support, no USB, no flash (yeah yeah html5 rules, if it only was supported by the remaining 90% of the interwebs), leads me to conclude it being a hipster motive or just being ill informed. Which would explain why you did not know about the any open source UI programs.

no need to be a dick.

abZ wrote:
Show me a cheaper pad.

Maybe it's due to me being Dutch, but when or where was I being a dick? No need to feel offended if your happy with your purchases.

I do sound design work for developers of interactive mobile media so I have a special interest in the market. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy apple products, and tbh their phones are already in 3rd place after their initial monopoly. They have nice inventions and an amazing short term marketing plan. Some dev's say their SDK is really good, and easier then Android. Yet, apple has a very aggressive and monopoly minded strategy. It's a nasty way to make money, and very short term. Open source stimulates inventions and collabs. The irony is that mac os' are built on linux. But they decided to have a different strategy, use the technology that's open source and monetize it to have the most bizarre terms of usage any tech company has today. They even control app dev's prices outside their own appmarket on 3rd party platforms/websites. This was just one of the recent amendments to the original TOS, like taking 30% of all sales. It's hard to opt out if your company strategy is based on that OS.

As far as prices and Apple go... It's hard to compare since the i-pad is a bit under specced compared to the competition. The Shogu Linux pad is 500$ and runs linux, flash, air, html 5 android (linux in linux), there's the much better specced german wepad starting under 500$, and many more to come. Big brands like ASUS, HP etc are aiming on free tablets with a internet subscription. It's a complex question, but let's face it, apple is and most likely always will be more expensive.

All this open source technology will hopefully benefit from the new market apple created. And that leads me back to my very first comment.

thor_beatz wrote:
you can buy a 21inch MT screen for 150e

I hope the i-pad is, just like the i-phone, just a hype for the hipsters, so another company supporting open source(in the smartphone's case google) will take over and make it affordable and usable for consumers and developers (without selling their soul to apple).

My apology if anybody was offended by my bitter apple remark.

makemerich wrote:buy now for 7 easy payments of $ 5,000,0000 and and a kidney!

I dunno what ya'll talkin bout, i made my reactable for $70.00. only downside there is no interface , but i have it mapped to any midi control i want in ableton and any vst.

looks and sounds very similar to synplant which is a vst

circuitbored wrote:

makemerich wrote:buy now for 7 easy payments of $ 5,000,0000 and and a kidney!

I dunno what ya'll talkin bout, i made my reactable for $70.00. only downside there is no interface , but i have it mapped to any midi control i want in ableton and any vst.

Talkin bout the official one which is just silly for what it essentially is. What type cam (webcam) you using?

- anyone know of any free projection software tho 0.o , so you can have a projor underneath giving a Ui. such as the circles indicating values of the perimeters the block represents?

@Thorbeats: thats exactly what i would of posted on a new thread lol, as well as how to get reactivision to send midi messages
- the how to make your own multi touch @ www.humanworkshop.com/ BRING ON THE CARDBOARD!

thor_beatz wrote:Maybe it's due to me being Dutch, but when or where was I being a dick? No need to feel offended if your happy with your purchases.

I do sound design work for developers of interactive mobile media so I have a special interest in the market. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy apple products, and tbh their phones are already in 3rd place after their initial monopoly. They have nice inventions and an amazing short term marketing plan. Some dev's say their SDK is really good, and easier then Android. Yet, apple has a very aggressive and monopoly minded strategy. It's a nasty way to make money, and very short term. Open source stimulates inventions and collabs. The irony is that mac os' are built on linux. But they decided to have a different strategy, use the technology that's open source and monetize it to have the most bizarre terms of usage any tech company has today. They even control app dev's prices outside their own appmarket on 3rd party platforms/websites. This was just one of the recent amendments to the original TOS, like taking 30% of all sales. It's hard to opt out if your company strategy is based on that OS.

As far as prices and Apple go... It's hard to compare since the i-pad is a bit under specced compared to the competition. The Shogu Linux pad is 500$ and runs linux, flash, air, html 5 android (linux in linux), there's the much better specced german wepad starting under 500$, and many more to come. Big brands like ASUS, HP etc are aiming on free tablets with a internet subscription. It's a complex question, but let's face it, apple is and most likely always will be more expensive.

All this open source technology will hopefully benefit from the new market apple created. And that leads me back to my very first comment.

thor_beatz wrote:
you can buy a 21inch MT screen for 150e

I hope the i-pad is, just like the i-phone, just a hype for the hipsters, so another company supporting open source(in the smartphone's case google) will take over and make it affordable and usable for consumers and developers (without selling their soul to apple).

My apology if anybody was offended by my bitter apple remark.

You make any comments on Apple you want but you were attacking Apple USERS which is not on. I do my homework very well and I still want an iPad. It is what it is.

Fbac wrote:

circuitbored wrote:

makemerich wrote:buy now for 7 easy payments of $ 5,000,0000 and and a kidney!

I dunno what ya'll talkin bout, i made my reactable for $70.00. only downside there is no interface , but i have it mapped to any midi control i want in ableton and any vst.

Talkin bout the official one which is just silly for what it essentially is. What type cam (webcam) you using?

- anyone know of any free projection software tho 0.o , so you can have a projor underneath giving a Ui. such as the circles indicating values of the perimeters the block represents?

The cam i am using is microsoft life cam(webcam), and i know people talkin bout the official one, but i doubt any of us have $10,000 lyin around to blow on a reactable. i use the same software for identifying the fiducials which is reactivision, the software that is used to project images back uses the tuio protocol. it is free i believe. Only thing is it involves much programming and im pretty sure the people behind the reactable coded their stuff in java in conjunction with the tuio protocol.

Anyone comes across any projection software tuts =) let me kno please.
java? boo, i know nothing of java X| more to learn. . . .

Fbac wrote:Anyone comes across any projection software tuts =) let me kno please.
java? boo, i know nothing of java X| more to learn. . . .

There's a framework built on top of ReacTIVision that I used, and I can't for the life of me remember then name of it. You're still programming in Java but it does a lot of the hard work for you, like displaying shapes, figuring out what gesture you've made with your fingers, and giving you built in components that you can rotate/stretch/move around the screen. I'll post up a link as soon as I remember what it's called, shameful I know considering I worked with it for the best part of a year...

MT4j! http://www.mt4j.org/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page

There's a bunch of guides and examples on there to get you started.

cheers! Thanks for the link!
ifloor here i come!