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honey-d wrote:I could have sworn we were still going by that dubstep is 140ish bpm with heavy subbass.

i like that as a descriptor. i fear that the public conception is much narrower than that, however.

OP - noone gives a fuck mate. its music. why compartmentalize

Fair points in this thread. Either way, lets kill the thread and listen to the music we like. Is that ok?

if yall keep subcatigorizing shit.. no genre will ever get big... its all freakin dubstep as soon as theres one crunchy LFO!! fuck it!! theres DUBSTEP and techno!!! and a mix between the two. thats the only 3 EDM genres to me!! pschhhhhhhhhhhh
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it's a shame that when someone tries to start a discussion (even if it touches an apparently controversial subject, as in this thread), dubstepforum explodes into absolute 'it's all music, who cares, don't tell me what to listen to' madness.

yes, it's all music. no, people shouldn't care too much about which sub sub subgenres there are, etc. but i don't think we should underestimate or ignore the importance of labelling music (to a certain extent, of course!).

back when people first started making (what we now know as) dubstep, it didn't have a name. when the term 'dubstep' became the accepted word to describe a certain type of 140 bpm bass heavy music, people knew what they could expect; people knew what to google for; people knew where to look in record shops.

the OP makes a fair point, in my opinion, because dubstep music has become so broad, it's hard to find what you're looking for, and it can be frustrating for a lot of people when the term dubstep is used to describe the more electro house influenced type of music (that obviously has a lot of basic elements in common with 'old school' dubstep), because it simply isn't the same thing.

it seems very elitist to claim the word dubstep and to say, for example, skrillex isn't dubstep. what's even worse is to laugh it off (or go into rage mode) and say "it's all music, let's just listen to the tunes, don't worry about it", because it's come to the point where it's just not very practical to call everything around 140 bpm 'dubstep'.

Imagine being an Elvis Presley fan, asking someone for a rock & roll cd, and ending up with Slayer in your cd player. Of course there's a chance you'll like it, but it certainly isn't the type of music you were looking for, even though there's drums, bass, and guitars in it.
Same goes for liking Photek's tunes, and ending up with Pendulum records, loving mala's music, and ending up with borgore tunes.

there were a couple of other things i wanted to say, but they slipped my mind while typing this semi-coherent post.

EDIT: let it be known that i'm not a fan of subgenres at all. in drum 'n bass and metal it became absolutely ridiculous at a certain point. there's just a lot of confusion surrounding the genre of dubstep. it's a word that can get very frustrating, because (for example...) going to a dubstep night expecting to hear one type of music, and having to put up with music you don't like at all, is less than enjoyable.

As long as we understand what is meant by core or proppa dubstep
and that everything is orbitting at various radii from that,
in trajectories to or from other music such as electro, techno, reggae, garage, dub, house,
until it crosses a fuzzy penumbra to become defined by those words,

then, in that sense,
some of Bassnectar's digibass is in the dubstep sphere
whilst Skrillex travels at its outer limits, where you have to shout to be heard.

As for what constitutes core or proppa dubstep?
Well, nothing is at it's exact centre for me....
that's an emptiness being jostled by attempts at perfection.

honey-d wrote:Though Skrillex and bassnectar have more midrange in the tunes than the originals it's not like there's no sub in it

I question that affirmation

tomassive wrote: it's a word that can get very frustrating, because (for example...) going to a dubstep night expecting to hear one type of music, and having to put up with music you don't like at all, is less than enjoyable.

does this really happen...?

I hear people cite this as one of the problems with the word dubstep defining such a broad range of sounds, but honestly, there's this neat little thing called the internet... In the age of youtube, soundcloud, etc. it seems silly to limit a genre just to cater to the folks who are too lazy to check out some tunes/mixes by the artists on the bill before going to a show.

Omega Dub wrote:

tomassive wrote: it's a word that can get very frustrating, because (for example...) going to a dubstep night expecting to hear one type of music, and having to put up with music you don't like at all, is less than enjoyable.

does this really happen...?

I hear people cite this as one of the problems with the word dubstep defining such a broad range of sounds, but honestly, there's this neat little thing called the internet... In the age of youtube, soundcloud, etc. it seems silly to limit a genre just to cater to the folks who are too lazy to check out some tunes/mixes by the artists on the bill before going to a show.

of course. the bit from my post you quoted was a bit of an inaccurate example i guess (except when it's a local night with unknown djs or whatever). it was nothing more than an example as part of my 'i don't like sub sub sub subgenres' disclaimer though. it's what's above the edit that's important.

i dont need unique or complex. i like what i like. style thing. nothing else.

It's easier to say what i don't like because it exists & I've experienced it.
There's always pleasant surprises amongst the incoming & prejudged.

pompende wrote:

dj $hy wrote:What a gay thread! Ok mate I'll listen to you cos you clearly know what your talking about... all it took was someone clever like you to lead us in the right direction... You are Moses!

oh wow what an eloquent response. if you're trying to humble me you're way off the mark. you're just baiting me to say "resevoir dogs is gay, so there" . good job being the bigger man while I am clearly just targeting artists for ad hominem attacks.

No mate I just think your thread is stupid and unwarranted. You bang on about how the for mentioned artists dont make Dubstep like it used to sound... No one makes Dubstep like it used to sound, its called moving forward and maybe we should all do that instead of clogging up a music forum with pointless threads from user who thing they are the be all/end all! If you don’t think they are Dubstep then fair enough, you are allowed an opinion but sadly your opinion is out dated and wrong, you shold maybe think about listening to a new style of music? Something static like country, least that way you wont get upset when someone tries to take a different direction with their music…. Personally I'm glad people like you are not at the forefront of Dubstep or we'd be stuck in the same place....

dj $hy wrote:

pompende wrote:

dj $hy wrote:What a gay thread! Ok mate I'll listen to you cos you clearly know what your talking about... all it took was someone clever like you to lead us in the right direction... You are Moses!

oh wow what an eloquent response. if you're trying to humble me you're way off the mark. you're just baiting me to say "resevoir dogs is gay, so there" . good job being the bigger man while I am clearly just targeting artists for ad hominem attacks.

No mate I just think your thread is stupid and unwarranted. You bang on about how the for mentioned artists dont make Dubstep like it used to sound... No one makes Dubstep like it used to sound, its called moving forward and maybe we should all do that instead of clogging up a music forum with pointless threads from user who thing they are the be all/end all! If you don’t think they are Dubstep then fair enough, you are allowed an opinion but sadly your opinion is out dated and wrong, you shold maybe think about listening to a new style of music? Something static like country, least that way you wont get upset when someone tries to take a different direction with their music…. Personally I'm glad people like you are not at the forefront of Dubstep or we'd be stuck in the same place....

Couldn't agree with you anymore!!

Why would you think country music is static??? it might not be your thing but damn, theres tons of progression and mixtures of styles coming out of country music.. Theres just still people making oldschool as well

Alright, back to the SNH

-[2]DAY_- wrote:Why would you think country music is static??? it might not be your thing but damn, theres tons of progression and mixtures of styles coming out of country music.. Theres just still people making oldschool as well

Just foolin around! I'm not a country fan but I was brought up on Irelands version of country!

dj $hy wrote:You bang on about how the for mentioned artists dont make Dubstep like it used to sound... No one makes Dubstep like it used to sound, its called moving forward...

I didn't read Pomending that way....he was saying something more like: what some people refer to as dubstep isn't what he considers to be dubstep. That's a reasonable view for someone who's been around since the early days to hold.
He didn't say dubstep has to stay the same or that it can't progress...
imo some producers still make new, inventive tunes that reflect the mid-noughties roots; Cyrus, Clubroot, Lurker & Be-1ne for starters. They're not copying, they're reflecting what some of us think of as core/proppa/oldskool dubstep which has a huge variety of expressions and interpretations but, necessarily, has defining boundaries, otherwise it becomes something else....which maybe great or shit...but something else...glitch-hop, rave, post-dubstep, halfbeat dnb etc.
What you call "moving forward" Shy, others think of as "moving away" from what ds essentially is.

An analogy:
Bill builds yachts. He loves building different kinds & sailing them. Harry comes along & digs what he's doing but reckons he can improve on it. He builds a jet boat and goes over to Bill's to show him what he insists on calling a yacht. Bill says yeah whatever you like but that's not a yacht.

sd5 wrote: An analogy:
Bill builds yachts. He loves building different kinds & sailing them. Harry comes along & digs what he's doing but reckons he can improve on it. He builds a jet boat and goes over to Bill's to show him what he insists on calling a yacht. Bill says yeah whatever you like but that's not a yacht.

Bill is clearly a fuck knuckle purist if he's unwilling to admit that yachts don't necessarily have to have sails.

people seem to forget around 2005 , the majority of people HATED "dubstep" and said things like "This shit is boring !" "It's just slowed down DNB " etc ....


and then lo and behold its 2011 and everyones making dubstep but the majority of it actually became slowed down dnb . and the people saying they hated it are all headbanging in a mosh pit to midrange . it's hilarious really

djekos wrote:Alright, back to the SNH