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Re: MIDI Vs Audio
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:30 pm
by Karma_blitz
Susceptor wrote:deadly habit wrote: keep getting told it's a must for achieving the best sound
That's bullshit coming from someone who doesn't understand how DAWs / softsynths / softfx work.
The audio path inside the DAW is 32/64 bit (floating point) resolution. Everytime you render, the audio loses some resolution when it gets converted to 24 or 16 bit (fixed point). IIRC 64 bit FP means around 1500 dB dynamic range, while 16 bit is 96 dB dynamic range.
Anyway, that's just technical specs. But the thing is, audio comes out of the softsynth and into the effects, no conversion needed. There's no audio loss. It doesn't (practically) matter if you bounce and import, or if you just render everything at the end, but there is no audio quality gain if you bounce the softsynth, only time wasted.
TL;DR
The guy is full of shit and has no idea what he's talking about; don't listen to him, keep the chain and render everything at the end.
thanks bro.
Re: MIDI Vs Audio
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 8:33 pm
by Karma_blitz
thanks for all the feedback people. Last time i ask that stupid teacher anything
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Re: MIDI Vs Audio
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:34 pm
by code505
I think with new faster computers there is less of a need to bounce down everything to wave and then process. Most of the time when I watch masterclass videos or in the studio vids, the producers almost always have their tracks bounced down to wave files. If you notice jitter with your midi then bounce it, else there is no need.
I did a little test with Ableton (to check for midi timing issues) and exported just the bassline from a track Im workin on three ways ... 1 - with processing on bass and master. 2 - with processing on the bass only. 3 - with no processing. I then opened it in sound forge and checked where each bass part started in the bounced down wave file. Switched the view to samples so its more accurate and the bass started at the same time in each file. Therefore Ableton processed the midi in each file accurately.
Re: MIDI Vs Audio
Posted: Sat Mar 19, 2011 11:20 pm
by DJ Crackle
I'm glad there's such a meh view on Resampling in this thread. I love working with waves so it's occasionally nice, but other than that I reaaally haven't seen the "vast improvements" that other people have always talked about. Have to agree that bouncing to wave isn't gonna do much for you unless you just like working with audio like myself.
Re: MIDI Vs Audio
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 12:06 am
by Susceptor
The OP was talking about bouncing a synth track and then reloading it in the DAW and apply the fx. Resampling is another thing. I totally agree to make some soundbounce it and then load it back in a sampler and slice it up. The former is useless, while the latter can be awesome (since you're basically creting a source and then manipulate it in a way you can't normally, if you keep the fx chain and not render - I just got into re sampling, so I'm a little bit excited)
Re: MIDI Vs Audio
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 10:15 am
by nowaysj
In terms of creativity and inspiration, resampling is the beast.
Re: MIDI Vs Audio
Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 4:38 pm
by jrisreal
The teachers giving you BS. Whether you bounce it or not, it will still be the same sound waves going into the input of the FX...no new sound can come out of it. SO there is no reason to bounce to audio unless youre on an old computer that can't handle the processes. If you are bouncing AFTER adding some effects, then that makes sense because then you can further edit the sound and keep it moving and add effects in ways that you couldn't do before...but I still wouldn't just decide to bounce it...I'd have to have a really good reason to go through the trouble.
Re: MIDI Vs Audio
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:34 am
by Filthzilla
Show your tutor this thread.
Re: MIDI Vs Audio
Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:45 pm
by DJ Crackle
Filthzilla wrote:Show your tutor this thread.
Lol, agreed.
Re: MIDI Vs Audio
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:56 am
by jrisreal
DJ Crackle wrote:Filthzilla wrote:Show your tutor this thread.
Lol, agreed.
YES! DO IT IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE CLASS!!!! Hes gona cry
Re: MIDI Vs Audio
Posted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:47 pm
by Ldizzy
could u render them as 32 bit float pieces of audio.. for internal use only... ??? that would be just about the same, soundwise, wouldnt it?
personally, i think its really just a matter of cpu ... and of ''moving on''... gets u going and forces u to commit to a decision.