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Re: Too much low end? Not enough mid?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:22 pm
by ts engage
thedefinition wrote:Hypefiend wrote:lower every oscillator an octave?
This right here alone should get you closer to the sound you're looking for. A classic synthesizer newbie mistake is to treat different synths like all the others in your collection. A lot of people don't realize that some of the great characteristics of Massive's sound comes from how the oscillators work so well together. When you drop the other oscs an octave or two below normal, you don't get the usual fizz, sizzle, and buckling at the knees like most other soft synths . Besides, since you're cutting the sub off, you don't have to worry about what goes on below your cutoff point.
Since your main focus are the bass frequencies you should work your way up from there. Find something you like and then make it listenable to that others will enjoy it.
My advice, start low...then get high.
and make sure it's good shit too, not that fake ass mid/rags ish!
okay so ive lowered the bass oscs an octave below what they were but now the bass just sounds really really weak...even when ive got it at 6/16 unison. Listen >
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???? im obviously doing something wrong so what is it?
Re: Too much low end? Not enough mid?
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 11:08 pm
by hifi
ts engage wrote:thedefinition wrote:Hypefiend wrote:lower every oscillator an octave?
This right here alone should get you closer to the sound you're looking for. A classic synthesizer newbie mistake is to treat different synths like all the others in your collection. A lot of people don't realize that some of the great characteristics of Massive's sound comes from how the oscillators work so well together. When you drop the other oscs an octave or two below normal, you don't get the usual fizz, sizzle, and buckling at the knees like most other soft synths . Besides, since you're cutting the sub off, you don't have to worry about what goes on below your cutoff point.
Since your main focus are the bass frequencies you should work your way up from there. Find something you like and then make it listenable to that others will enjoy it.
My advice, start low...then get high.
and make sure it's good shit too, not that fake ass mid/rags ish!
okay so ive lowered the bass oscs an octave below what they were but now the bass just sounds really really weak...even when ive got it at 6/16 unison. Listen >
Soundcloud
???? im obviously doing something wrong so what is it?
dimension expander? more unison? hardclipper/tubing of any sort? layering more osc( i can't really tell since i dont know if your using all 3)? stick a limiter on? daft filter instead of a low pass and i see on your filter your using the volume isnt up all the way. or if it still sounds weak make a new sound f**k it use different wavetables.
Re: Too much low end? Not enough mid?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:59 am
by Ldizzy
would u mind sending me that patch thru pm... the weak one that is...
id like to sound and dissect it...
ill come back and repost about what ive found then... based on what it is that you are complaining about!!!
Re: Too much low end? Not enough mid?
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 1:11 pm
by ts engage
Hypefiend wrote:lower every oscillator an octave? bring up the high shelf in the EQ you have turned on there if that doesn't work you can try splitting the frequencies since your using Logic like me you can just route your bassline to 3 busses, name them low, mid, hi, as those will correspond to the region of frequencies of your sound. stick a multiband compressor on each bus (you can use logic's stock plug called "Multipressor" which can be found under the Dynamics section) then solo each region (low,mid, hi) on each compressor but make sure each is in its region like ex: low 20hz - 150hz, mid 150hz and above to about 1 or 2 kHz,.. yea hopefully that will help you if I can't surely someone else will
okay so ive lowered every oscilator like a lot of you are saying to do AND ive added a bit more unison. Ive got a dimension expander going on and also ive sent the bass to three different busses with the mutiband compressor- first one soloing the low, second on mid and third on high. Ive upped the high one by 8 db in the compresser and in the mid one ive upped that section be like 6 db to try and give it that thickness. Yet it still sounds poor >
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what next? :S
Re: Too much low end? Not enough mid?
Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:09 pm
by ts engage
no one?
im really determined to sort this out and work on it i just need to know what to do now ive tried loads of things but im getting no success :/
Re: Too much low end? Not enough mid?
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 1:53 am
by Ldizzy
ill be uploading soon, been working a lot this week ... but i have a couple of very humble pointers that could help u i think..
Re: Too much low end? Not enough mid?
Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 7:25 pm
by ts engage
thank you! any help i get ill be grateful for. Its always good to have other people with knowledge help out and give feedback/input
Re: Too much low end? Not enough mid?
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:09 am
by Big Freq
vertx wrote:Imho you have eq'd waaaay to hard on that low end of the bass, you say your bass lacks thickness and that its not sitting low enough but you've cut all the bottom out of it???
I haven't listened to the clip but try cutting at a lower db per octave like 12db and lower down around 90hz to 130hz.
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