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yeah i mean i have no idea how he does it, but the only way to "unbake the cake" as you put it would be to use the differences between the stereo channels (like old school panning). never got soundforge (mac user) but ableton has a ms option on the eq which is what i was using. there have been ms plugs (waves for example) since before burials first record so its at least possible.

RandoRando wrote:I got some interesting results with a fucked up headphone cable, anyone ever experience this? It's my casette to iPod adapter, has a headphone out, I have to wiggle the cable to Make it work, but when it's messed up, it complete strips vocals from a song and all I hear isthe beat. Or on dubstep. All I will hear is the wobble. It's very odd.

I've experienced this same issue mate. I'm pretty sure what it is is the wiring for either the L or R output has become fucked and what you're hearing is just the opposing, remaining output for either side. You can change the balance to about 1/4 of the way up so it's splitting the remaining output between both speakers as a temporary fix.

As far as the DIY vocals go, don't do it! Acapellas4u has an enormous selection that's truly inspiring. You probably won't find your Toro y Moi there, but IMHO his vocals are the weakest part of his tunes, so maybe that's a good thing.

RandoRando wrote:I got some interesting results with a fucked up headphone cable, anyone ever experience this? It's my casette to iPod adapter, has a headphone out, I have to wiggle the cable to Make it work, but when it's messed up, it complete strips vocals from a song and all I hear isthe beat. Or on dubstep. All I will hear is the wobble. It's very odd.

This is mathematically the same thing that's happening inside most of these karaoke-type processors that cancel the center track.

In a stereo, headphone style TRS 1/4" jack, the tip is the left channel, the ring is the right channel, and the sleeve is ground. In a mono, balanced TRS 1/4" jack, the tip is the normal-polarity signal, the ring is the inverse-polarity signal, and again the sleeve is ground. This is done so that the ring signal can be inverted and combined with the tip signal, eliminating interference acquired along the run of the cable. However, when this process is applied incorrectly, such as when a stereo signal is carried to a balanced mono input via a TRS cable, the right channel is flipped and summed with the left channel, eliminating any of the original signal that was common to both. What this means is that anything panned dead center is completely silent; but everything else is getting screwed up as well.

This same phenomenon can occur as you described when the conductors inside the cable short out.

This basic idea, eliminating information common to both stereo channels, is used in things like vocal cancelers and stereo wideners.

If any of this doesn't make sense I'd be happy to clarify.

Arsene wrote:I need some help, i've been looking for this for a long time, still didn't found out, i'd like to try to make a drumnbass remix of this song: Toro Y Moi - Talamak.
Now, the question is, what lot of peaple are having problems whit, is how to I seperate vocals, bass, beat and whatever. I got audacity, fruity loops, ableton and acid pro, so maybe if i can split shit up whit one of those software's.

Thanks, Arsene.

phase cancellation? doesn't always work but just get the original track with the vocals, whatnot and one with no vocals aka instrumental then watch a tut on phase cancellation. would recommend audacity for doing it since I do not know of any other software that can do this. it may work in your daw i am not completely sure

with these,
social engineering WILL get u further then sound engineering... 9 times out of 10 for me.