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hasezwei wrote:

DrastikMeazures wrote:Sounds like some of the REX file breaks in my jungle warfare Reason refill pack to me, obviously those breaks had to come from somewhere, but if your just after the sound might be a good place to check.

the tunes in question were made long before reason existed

I wasn't trying to imply Photek used the jungle warfare Reason Refill, merely that someone might find the break they're after there.

trust me they are long pre that bs
i want the oriog id not a secondary source

deadly habit wrote:trust me they are long pre that bs
i want the oriog id not a secondary source

I dunno about that, from wiki:

"Ni-Ten-Ichi-Ryu (Two Swords Techniques)" (1997, Virgin) UK #37

"Firestarter" samples a guitar riff from "SOS" by American rock group The Breeders, and the "Hey!" vocal from "Close (To the Edit)" by English dance group Art of Noise (the vocal was also previously used by the band in "Full Throttle" on Music for the Jilted Generation). The drums on the song are sampled from a track on the Time + Space Recordings drum recording album Jungle Warfare, Vol. 1; another Time + Space Recordings album track was sampled on The Prodigy's previous single, "One Love".

Phat of the land was released in 97 as well.

Also from "theprodigy.info" referring to B Side Pandemonium released in 1991:

Sample: "Drop the bass, now!"
Taken from: Zero G sample CD Jungle Warfare Vol. 1 (as used by Altern8)

Not saying Wikipedia is the unquestioned word of the lord almighty himself, but I mean photek definitely used the Plastic Jam breaks, which was a break record that had jungle bits and it was released in 1993. So its not like he didn't use break records every now and then.

This is the plastic jam break I'm talking about: http://www.junglebreaks.co.uk/listen/plastic_jam.wav

btw, spent to long going down the Photek break source route its not worth it man, give up while your still young

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djrq wrote:

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:O didn't know of that first break
time to get on discogs and order a copy heh

you can get the reversed shuffle pretty close by reversing alligator boogaloo, you have to chop the reversed shuffle up in the right way and eq it but it works pretty well.

Soundcloud

feel free to download that if you dont have the break, its a 24bit wav. i would strongly suggest getting the full break though, its pretty large and is really useful

hasezwei wrote:

deadly habit wrote:it's apparently a tune thats made at 33 played at 45 speed

yeah i read that thread but... nothing to be found on the net. spent the whole day looking for it.
deadly, if i were you i'd stop looking for that break. you will keep searching, it becomes an obsession and then you'll end like that hungarian guy from the thread. i heard he lives in an asylum now, drooling in his cell while drawing beat patterns of "smoke rings" on the wall with his feces.

I've just googled this topic, and have to register to post here
Let me introduce myself, Im snaper from Hungary, and yes, Im am that guy from a hungarian asylum

Anyway, let me clean up this whole 'photekbreakhunt' case.

1. Fracture and Neptune couldn't know that break, they've just recreated the sequence, what is very simple, If you figured out the ninja way. I don't know why he sad that they find it, maybe they don't know, that 'the photek break' is not a simple classic breakbeat. That 33 / 45 thing was bulls*it, nothing more...

2. Im not in asylum
I just really like that breakbeat, and the way how Photek did this.

And the most important information! (Trust me, Im after almost 2 years of hardcore research!)
The break in Smoke Rings, Rings Around Saturn, Ufo, Aleph 1, Hybrid etc. is a mixture of 2 (or mooore) diff breaks.
The base of the break is the Plastic Jam break (snares, check that high pitched mettalic stuff), and the Think break. (Just slow down any of these tunes, you will hear the nice tamb samples from the think break.)

You'll need 2 very important keys to unlock the secret. The first one is a vintage Sony HR-MP5 multieffect processor. (Im still looking for one) This very underrated efx have some very strange presets, most people use this proc. for keyboards, but nobody tried it on drums...except Photek.
The second key is the knowledge. Photek is very precise and clever. BUT! There are facts, so please sit my side in the time machine!

UFO / Rings Around Saturn was release on 1995. (These were the first tunes with that breakbeat)
Sony released the MP5 in '94. Emu release the E4 on '94 (Im sure that Photek needs the large LCD on the EMU to create those break choppings)
Soo...1-1,5 years and the break born...

Im sure he has that fookin break somewhere in his HD, or a ZIP, and will use it in the future...

snaper wrote:

hasezwei wrote:

deadly habit wrote:it's apparently a tune thats made at 33 played at 45 speed

yeah i read that thread but... nothing to be found on the net. spent the whole day looking for it.
deadly, if i were you i'd stop looking for that break. you will keep searching, it becomes an obsession and then you'll end like that hungarian guy from the thread. i heard he lives in an asylum now, drooling in his cell while drawing beat patterns of "smoke rings" on the wall with his feces.

I've just googled this topic, and have to register to post here
Let me introduce myself, Im snaper from Hungary, and yes, Im am that guy from a hungarian asylum

Anyway, let me clean up this whole 'photekbreakhunt' case.

1. Fracture and Neptune couldn't know that break, they've just recreated the sequence, what is very simple, If you figured out the ninja way. I don't know why he sad that they find it, maybe they don't know, that 'the photek break' is not a simple classic breakbeat. That 33 / 45 thing was bulls*it, nothing more...

2. Im not in asylum
I just really like that breakbeat, and the way how Photek did this.

And the most important information! (Trust me, Im after almost 2 years of hardcore research!)
The break in Smoke Rings, Rings Around Saturn, Ufo, Aleph 1, Hybrid etc. is a mixture of 2 (or mooore) diff breaks.
The base of the break is the Plastic Jam break (snares, check that high pitched mettalic stuff), and the Think break. (Just slow down any of these tunes, you will hear the nice tamb samples from the think break.)

You'll need 2 very important keys to unlock the secret. The first one is a vintage Sony HR-MP5 multieffect processor. (Im still looking for one) This very underrated efx have some very strange presets, most people use this proc. for keyboards, but nobody tried it on drums...except Photek.
The second key is the knowledge. Photek is very precise and clever. BUT! There are facts, so please sit my side in the time machine!

UFO / Rings Around Saturn was release on 1995. (These were the first tunes with that breakbeat)
Sony released the MP5 in '94. Emu release the E4 on '94 (Im sure that Photek needs the large LCD on the EMU to create those break choppings)
Soo...1-1,5 years and the break born...

Im sure he has that fookin break somewhere in his HD, or a ZIP, and will use it in the future...

ez snaper great to see your input here as well as on subvert central

I've thought that Photek's breaks were a combination of different parts of other breaks.

What kind of effect do you think he was running the drums through with that Sony effects unit?

djrq wrote:

Biggggg lineup on this record, olatunji was a badddddddman

mks wrote:I've thought that Photek's breaks were a combination of different parts of other breaks.

What kind of effect do you think he was running the drums through with that Sony effects unit?

You've right, diff parts. but how knows which? The plastic jam break is a 2 LP liong breakbeat, there are a lot of very useful parts of that break

Well, what the MP5 has...distortion, flange, reverb, and some crazy pitch shift...

is there something unique about the mp5's pitch shift?

deadly habit wrote:is there something unique about the mp5's pitch shift?

Maybe...I don't know, cause I don't have the unit. Maybe its not pitch shift from the MP5. Maybe just pitch shifted on the EMU then add some crazy flanger from the MP5 ... don't know...:D:D:D

heh we need to find someone with one of those units now

deadly habit wrote:heh we need to find someone with one of those units now

Im on it But it seems to me that those units are rare things nowadays...
I've found 2 of them on eBay, for 300USD, but the shipping cost and the customs would be horrible

If you ain't seen this from way back in the day, should give some small insight.




It's all about the EMU E4X and those Z plane filters.

mondays child wrote:If you ain't seen this from way back in the day, should give some small insight.




It's all about the EMU E4X and those Z plane filters.

i dont get how z-planes would improve a break/drums...

mondays child wrote:If you ain't seen this from way back in the day, should give some small insight.




It's all about the EMU E4X and those Z plane filters.

Do you have an E-Mu sampler?
Cause I own one years ago, and the Z-Plane filters can't imporve the drums in "photek's" way.
The filters with that razor sharp envelopes are what you can use on bass sounds for example...

Bumpage, serious bumpage.

I've heard that there was a sample CD called Junkyard Percussion (or something along those lines) and that the beat in Ni Tenchi was made out of a combo of individual hits from that and also Plastic Jam.