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Jake Daniel wrote:not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but if not - what a load of bollocks.wobbles wrote:clearly everyone who watches videos like those are just trying to rip them so they dont have to pay for the real thing
gotta disagree mr seckle. i couldn't tell you the number links i've followed from backspace in particular searching for and listening to tunes, both linked through other websites like this one and from the recommended links on youtube. i've used links from backspace to show tunes to a huge number of people. and there are a lot of people i know who do similar stuffseckle wrote:Spare us this " but the channel was helping spread the sound" bullshit. No one in 2011 is going to swallow that cookie anymore.
This motherfucker speaks the motherfucking TRUTH!Jake Daniel wrote:what a silly thing to say - channels like that are obviously spreading the sound. I'm not saying Z Audio shouldn't have done what they did or anything but to deny that channels like these aren't really good places for people to discover new music is just stupid. I can't count how many new tunes or producers I've come across simply by browsing through tunes on Youtube. As I said, I'm not really defending nore attacking either Z Audio or Backspace but you're post just seemed a bit ignorant.seckle wrote:Spare us this " but the channel was helping spread the sound" bullshit. No one in 2011 is going to swallow that cookie anymore.
Personally I just see it as another promotional platform - its not like Backspace was putting up links to download the tunes illegally (like some channels) - they were trying to promote the music and also trying and encourage people to go out and buy the records or buy the digital releases.
Fuck this "generational attitude" bullshit. Support the music financially or jog on.Maccaveli wrote:I swear half my fucking generation finds all their music through YouTube. Look at UKF dubstep for example. Backspace was our UKF! It's just misguided greed pure and simple. Fuck the music industry.
How can you support the music financially if it hasnt been released yet?? You reckon people have all the time in the world to sit listening to whole radio shows on the off chance they may or may not hear a tune??seckle wrote:Fuck this "generational attitude" bullshit. Support the music financially or jog on.Maccaveli wrote:I swear half my fucking generation finds all their music through YouTube. Look at UKF dubstep for example. Backspace was our UKF! It's just misguided greed pure and simple. Fuck the music industry.
No. UKF get sent the tracks by the artists, so they have permission to upload them.epochalypso wrote:Dang!
So does that mean we can get UKF taken down aswell?
I agree. But with my channel for example, I cooperate or the artists themselves cooperate with me to put their content up so it gains exposure their productions - this is the legitimate way to do it, surely.seckle wrote:so what you're saying is basically a fuck you to the producers, labels and distro houses.....their intellectual property is yours for the taking, and therefore you feel entitled to not only upload it, but hey, lets make some google cash off the back of it too, in the name of promo. Theres so many entitlement issues going on with attitudes on this forum its fucking unreal. The worlds not yours by virtue of what you can click on and consume.
Theres dozens of youtube channels that have gone on to create these internet empire glass houses in the name of promotion. I'm really happy that labels and distro houses are actively filing complaints to see these channels closed down. And before you come back with some further promotional explanations and justifications, the fact of the matter is that google could give a fuck about underground music. See the bigger picture here. By adsensing someone elses intellectual property, you line google pockets, and that helps no labels or producers in the process. This is a world of free promotional tools. Labels can do it themselves, so fucking let them make their OWN promo choices.
Are there ad's on your videos? If so, are you taking that click cash, or are you giving it back to the producers?AJP UK wrote:I agree. But with my channel for example, I cooperate or the artists themselves cooperate with me to put their content up so it gains exposure their productions - this is the legitimate way to do it, surely.seckle wrote:so what you're saying is basically a fuck you to the producers, labels and distro houses.....their intellectual property is yours for the taking, and therefore you feel entitled to not only upload it, but hey, lets make some google cash off the back of it too, in the name of promo. Theres so many entitlement issues going on with attitudes on this forum its fucking unreal. The worlds not yours by virtue of what you can click on and consume.
Theres dozens of youtube channels that have gone on to create these internet empire glass houses in the name of promotion. I'm really happy that labels and distro houses are actively filing complaints to see these channels closed down. And before you come back with some further promotional explanations and justifications, the fact of the matter is that google could give a fuck about underground music. See the bigger picture here. By adsensing someone elses intellectual property, you line google pockets, and that helps no labels or producers in the process. This is a world of free promotional tools. Labels can do it themselves, so fucking let them make their OWN promo choices.
I make no profit whatsoever.seckle wrote: Are there ad's on your videos? If so, are you taking that click cash, or are you giving it back to the producers?
If thats really the case then you're a minority in comparison to some of these other channels. Most of the biggest dubstep related collection channels are adsense, and 90% of the people clicking and using those channels probably have no fucking idea about the pisstaking going on with google cash. Google have made it very clear in the last 3 years that they want people to help them make more money, at the expense of copyrights and intellectual property.AJP UK wrote:I make no profit whatsoever.seckle wrote: Are there ad's on your videos? If so, are you taking that click cash, or are you giving it back to the producers?
I just want to push good music and create a platform for underground artists not necessarily getting the attention they're entitled too.
It's like somebody sent the bailiffs round.seckle wrote:Are there ad's on your videos? If so, are you taking that click cash, or are you giving it back to the producers?AJP UK wrote:I agree. But with my channel for example, I cooperate or the artists themselves cooperate with me to put their content up so it gains exposure their productions - this is the legitimate way to do it, surely.seckle wrote:so what you're saying is basically a fuck you to the producers, labels and distro houses.....their intellectual property is yours for the taking, and therefore you feel entitled to not only upload it, but hey, lets make some google cash off the back of it too, in the name of promo. Theres so many entitlement issues going on with attitudes on this forum its fucking unreal. The worlds not yours by virtue of what you can click on and consume.
Theres dozens of youtube channels that have gone on to create these internet empire glass houses in the name of promotion. I'm really happy that labels and distro houses are actively filing complaints to see these channels closed down. And before you come back with some further promotional explanations and justifications, the fact of the matter is that google could give a fuck about underground music. See the bigger picture here. By adsensing someone elses intellectual property, you line google pockets, and that helps no labels or producers in the process. This is a world of free promotional tools. Labels can do it themselves, so fucking let them make their OWN promo choices.
Basically that must be exactly what I'm saying. Yes. I'm saying I will do whatever the fuck I want, and take food out of producers mouths and money from their pockets, by going out and purchasing music I have heard on Youtube or anywhere else it may be.seckle wrote:so what you're saying is basically a fuck you to the producers, labels and distro houses.....their intellectual property is yours for the taking, and therefore you feel entitled to not only upload it, but hey, lets make some google cash off the back of it too, in the name of promo. Theres so many entitlement issues going on with attitudes on this forum its fucking unreal. The worlds not yours by virtue of what you can click on and consume.
Theres dozens of youtube channels that have gone on to create these internet empire glass houses in the name of promotion. I'm really happy that labels and distro houses are actively filing complaints to see these channels closed down. And before you come back with some further promotional explanations and justifications, the fact of the matter is that google could give a fuck about underground music. See the bigger picture here. By adsensing someone elses intellectual property, you line google pockets, and that helps no labels or producers in the process. This is a world of free promotional tools. Labels can do it themselves, so fucking let them make their OWN promo choices.
Yep, I'm aware of that. But that's not what I'm aiming to do.seckle wrote:If thats really the case then you're a minority in comparison to some of these other channels. Most of the biggest dubstep related collection channels are adsense, and 90% of the people clicking and using those channels probably have no fucking idea about the pisstaking going on with google cash. Google have made it very clear in the last 3 years that they want people to help them make more money, at the expense of copyrights and intellectual property.AJP UK wrote:I make no profit whatsoever.seckle wrote: Are there ad's on your videos? If so, are you taking that click cash, or are you giving it back to the producers?
I just want to push good music and create a platform for underground artists not necessarily getting the attention they're entitled too.
Edited****** is the biggest Youtube channel I know of that promotes non-UKF type stuff. There are no ads whatsoever. This is his channel description:seckle wrote:so what you're saying is basically a fuck you to the producers, labels and distro houses.....their intellectual property is yours for the taking, and therefore you feel entitled to not only upload it, but hey, lets make some google cash off the back of it too, in the name of promo. Theres so many entitlement issues going on with attitudes on this forum its fucking unreal. The worlds not yours by virtue of what you can click on and consume.
Many of these youtube channels have gone on to create these internet empire glass houses in the name of promotion. I'm really happy that labels and distro houses are actively filing complaints to see these channels closed down. And before you come back with some further promotional explanations and justifications, the fact of the matter is that google could give a fuck about underground music. See the bigger picture here. By adsensing someone elses intellectual property, you line google pockets, and that helps no labels or producers in the process. This is a world of free promotional tools. Labels can do it themselves, so fucking let them make their OWN promo choices.
If that's not good natured promotion, I don't know what is. The adsense argument seems to be a bit of a strawman; I honestly hardly see any non-official youtube uploads that ads on them.IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SOUND
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