Michael Moore's Sicko ---Mind officially BLOWN thread

[product]

i think its relevant. nothing about us fits into our environment. our sole purpose is to act as a virus on the planet. our only possibility of recovering balance is morality.

I'm a good person. My parents shouldn't have to bury their child because I couldn't afford to live. With the amount of money that we spent killing people today, we could have healed or prevented 75% of the ailments that we face in this country.

population control

the government isn't quite as noble as you

[parson]

the health care industry may be fucked, but michael moore is an asshat

don't believe everything he tells you

what are you going on about

[parson]

i think its relevant. nothing about us fits into our environment. our sole purpose is to act as a virus on the planet. our only possibility of recovering balance is morality.

I'm a good person. My parents shouldn't have to bury their child because I couldn't afford to live. With the amount of money that we spent killing people today, we could have healed or prevented 75% of the ailments that we face in this country.

population control

the government isn't quite as noble as you

genocide. economic stratification is very distinctly racist.

[pk-]

the health care industry may be fucked, but michael moore is an asshat

don't believe everything he tells you

what are you going on about

well if he's saying things like this in the film

In the UK, if I go to the hospital, not only do I NOT have to pay for it but you will fucking actually PAY ME for having gone to the hospital?

They'll validate my parking... and pay my train fare back to my flat?

then he's got a point

[parson]

touche

[pk-]

I was told that I could not have a round of chemo until I paid for it up front... I couldn't even go into debt to get the treatment. And when I cried like a little girl, the woman at the desk said "hey kid, we're going to have to ask you to leave..."

the NHS is far from perfect, but the concept that you can be refused potentially life saving treatment because you haven't got the money is fucking staggering

[thoughtbombing]

I'm glad that we can all have a nice laugh at the misfortune of being born poor, and in America.

I'm educated, I work, I donate time and money to many causes... and I will probably die at an early age, because I cannot afford to live. Meanwhile, far worse people than me will live very long and pointless lives... and I would give anything to be one of them.

I don't find the situation particularly humorous.

I have noticed that in Pennsylvania, they are raising taxes on Tobacco, because smokers are the ones who cost the most money for our country--so smokers are petitioning to keep the cost of tobacco down. So when it comes time for me to foot the bill for the cancer that was caused by making poor choices, I'll be the one doing it... meanwhile, our government prevents us from doing any viable research to cure or prevent disease...

mainly because the money isn't in the cure.

Ugh, I need to move.

[pk-]

I'm glad that we can all have a nice laugh at the misfortune of being born poor, and in America.

[thoughtbombing]

I wasn't responding to that. sorry if it looked like it.

I was told that I could not have a round of chemo until I paid for it up front... I couldn't even go into debt to get the treatment. And when I cried like a little girl, the woman at the desk said "hey kid, we're going to have to ask you to leave..."

the NHS is far from perfect, but the concept that you can be refused potentially life saving treatment because you haven't got the money is fucking staggering

You also have to consider, preventative and wellness care would solve 95% of the problems... dental before the teeth are already gone... eating healthy before getting diabetis... regular checkups and exams to check for common disease....

these things cost NOTHING.... Cancer has cost me several hundred thousand dollars in the last 10 years... and I'll never be out of debt. If I could have afforded the care I needed, and perhaps found it earlier, maybe things would be different.

Hell, maybe not--but Doctors take an Oath to help people and to DO NO HARM FIRST. Surely they would honor this oath? Not in America. They will stabalize you, and send you packing.

[masstronaut]

i think its relevant. nothing about us fits into our environment. our sole purpose is to act as a virus on the planet. our only possibility of recovering balance is morality.

Like we're some kind of bio robots put here to 'terraform' the planet for an alien race to come and colonize? Could be...
I for one welcome our water dwelling, radiation eating, CO2 breathing overlords. Erm, not.

ThoughBombing - that all sounds well rough man.

Am I correct in thinking they have free medicare in Massacusetts and a few other states? Also the governer there is the son a member of the Arkestra. Kool.

[sizzla]

so is there no free medical care in the US at all?

i mean...surely if you're completely fucked, they're not going to turn you away from a hospital because you're got no health insurance are they?

just a couple of days ago, it was all over the news, a hospital i think Martin Luther King hospital in L.A. refused to aid a woman who was spitting blood, she was in pain, laying on the floor in a fetal position. someone told me she had already been seen on several occasions and so I guess they believe people should be fine after their initial visit. her son or a relative was with her pleading the nurses and doctors to do something and for some fuckedup reason they all said they were busy and uderstaffed. she died on the spot. and this was the poor folks hospital mind you.

so yes that shit does happen in the u.s. and according to Moore it happens alot as more than 100,000 people die every year simply becuase they have no insurance or met a wall of bull shit at the hospital.

can you imagine that? 100,000 people a year? that's like saying a whole town just vanished with no clear reason why.

my gf's mother has also gone through some bullshit...my gf's mom's kidneys have stopped working and is going through dialysis every week which reduces your life by 10 years. she has thinned down to the bone and it just breaks your heart to see her like that. plus she'll have to go through the process of getting on the recepient list to receive a kidney from a donor.

she recently applied for medicare and medicaid which supposedly could help with your hospital stay costs, treatments, and medicine. not only did she only receive medicare which only covers half of the medical stay cost, but the case worker took for ever to process her application. they tried calling her many times to ask why was it taking for ever but she was either out on a meeting or not in the office. when they finally got through to her, she asked "you shoulda called me sooner so that i coulda known that you really wanted the help". they filed a report against that bitch even though she pleaded not to.

do you believe this crap?

[thoughtbombing]

Am I correct in thinking they have free medicare in Massacusetts and a few other states? Also the governer there is the son a member of the Arkestra. Kool.

They very well may have Free Medicare, but the problem is, that everyone in America can get Medicare--and you can only see certain doctors and get certain treatments, and jump through certain hoops and all of them will end up killing you if you have anything serious.

They don't allow for prevention, or WELLNESS CARE. Basically, if you have a tooth ache--you should be able to get your damn teeth fixed. If you have a heart attack, you should be able to get your heart fixed. Every other "terrorist regime" on the planet is offering free healthcare. I'd really hate to have to join fucking Hamas and strap a bomb to my chest to get a fucking round of chemo, ya know?

I just don't understand what is so fucking wrong with not wishing to be denied a basic human right...

and enough about NATURAL SELECTION, while we're at it... natural selection is less about getting sick, and more about how we've adapted by becoming better doctors...

Through natural means, we've learned to prevent disease and to treat illness... I guess nature didn't take into effect capitalism.

[thoughtbombing]

One of my best friends' mom just died of lung cancer... never smoked a day in her life. Developed a cough... went to the doctor finally where they told her nothing was wrong...

4 weeks later, just pneumonia...

8 weeks later, oh yea... By the way... it was Lung cancer. My bad. You probably could have used that test that would have told you, eh?

Anywhere else and this woman would still be there for her daughter--instead this girl is living without her mother, becoming a woman with no woman to teach her. How do you think she'd end up with no role models?

What have we learned about kids growing up without parents? Oh yea... but we picketed outside of a Clinic where they do Stem Cell research--because we "believe in the right to life of all living things"

until they are alive, of course... then put them to death, bomb them, let them rot away. pollute, murder, kill. America... FUCK YEA!

[parson]

please don't vote for ron paul

[thoughtbombing]

please don't vote for ron paul

Dennis Kucinich, all the way.

No Strings Attached, baby.

[shonky]

I've never understood why one of the richest, most technologically advanced countries in the world doesn't have a national health care service

Health care isn't free in this country by the way, apart from the tens of billions (might even be £100bn or more) of pounds of tax revenue thrown into it, you also have to pay for dental appointments and (I think) eye tests. And prescriptions of course.

Plus most of the improvements made to the service in the last ten years have been from increased private sector involvement which means that the money is spent more inefficiently and at greater expense.

Really sorry to hear about your problems Thought Bombing, that's really so fucked up, universal health care should be standard in civilised nations. I thought Clinton was supposed to be pushing for this way back, but people that'd been paying into health insurance didn't see why they should pay and poor people shouldn't - which seems to be intensely selfish - can anyone give some more detail about this?

[parson]

the reason we don't have it is because of the cold war

[masstronaut]

The situation may be a bit better in the UK but it's not all roses - and it's been getting progressively worse for some time. The NHS is horribly over-beaurocratic and inefficient, bogged down in multiple management layers - docs and nurse are underpaid and a lot of the really good ones end up going elsewhere unfortunately. Dental care is no longer completely free and nor is basic eyecare. And let's not forget the power that drug companies wield as well - and how they can influence what doctors do with erm, incentives. Still there are huge amounts of good people working in public healthcare and I suppose they do their best with the system we have.

[parson]

now that its over they are championing reagan, and questioning the values of republicans whose values don't reflect reagan's verbatim

[thoughtbombing]

I thought Clinton was supposed to be pushing for this way back, but people that'd been paying into health insurance didn't see why they should pay and poor people shouldn't - which seems to be intensely selfish - can anyone give some more detail about this?

Bill Clinton appointed his wife, Hillary to be the health Czar, or whatever(heh, bad choice of words, obviously0

Conservatives and the Pharm industry scared people into thinking that we are on a slide towards Communism--socialized medicine, they called it.

Personally, I'd gladly renounce my citizenship and join the communist party if it meant a could live a healthier life. Apparently "terrorists" are getting better treatment than I am.