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Re: Beat matching

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:27 am
by mitchAUS
elyhess wrote:
jetpack wrote:Having multiple threads about the same question will not get answers faster.

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=224071

i just thought a new thread was in order considering this one has a slightly different topic
its the exact same topic.... :u: :u: :u: :u: :u: :u: :u: :u: :u:

Re: Beat matching

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 8:32 am
by Electric_Head
mitchAUS wrote:
elyhess wrote:
jetpack wrote:Having multiple threads about the same question will not get answers faster.

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=224071

i just thought a new thread was in order considering this one has a slightly different topic
its the exact same topic.... :u: :u: :u: :u: :u: :u: :u: :u: :u:
rewording the thread does not change the subject matter.

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 4:58 pm
by elyhess
I apologize I thought they were different enough? And I thought this thread had died.


As for thE issue at hand, so I can use flex to take out the vocals and basically make them match up with the beat. But what about the intro? No singing, just piano with no click or beat. How can I match up a beat to it

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:12 pm
by CE9958
Play the track you're trying to remix with a click turned on and use flex to match it to the click

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:00 pm
by mitchAUS
Between the grid, a click track and your ear you should be able to work it out if you put some hours in. Chopping audio and using flex time are my two of my most used production techniques.

When editing audio I've gotten into a flow so you can sorta keep feel in the vibe as you line up the track. Like if I were you....

Step 1. Set up some screen set shortcuts to focus on the first 4 bars.
Zoom in so 4 bars just fits in the screen then save this as screen set one
Then zoom into 1 bar and save it as screen set two
Then you can zoom in real close to like 1 beat for the 3rd screen set or whatever you wanna do.
I then map these screen sets to the "1", "2", and "3" keys on my keyboards so I can switch between the views quickly.

Basically the play head works as the point ur zoom will be based on. but if you click on a region that the play head isn't in then logic will zoom to that region instead. that will make sense once u try it and play around with it.

Step 2. Split the vocal into into 4 measures.
With the click track on play the first 4 bars and no doubt it will loop sort of badly (for this tutorial I'm assuming you want to keep the track at roughly the same tempo but tighten it up).
Ill take a moment to remind you of these important keyboard shortcuts:

ESC+1 - Pointer
ESC+5 - Scissor
ESC+9 - Zoom
ESC+E - Marquee (not needed if you change the preferences as i mentioned earlier)
ESC+R - Flex

Turn the click track off and deselect cycle mode to the track does not loop. Now solo the vocal, as it plays count along with it. |1-2-3-4-|1-2-3-4-|1-2-3-4-|1-2-3-4-|
That should give you an idea of where each measure starts and ends. Get the slice tool and slice the vocal into these 4 segments. Line up these 4 segments with the down beat of each bar (the 1).
Note that there might not be a note on the down beat... if you need me to explain this let me know but I'm pretty sure you would already understand that.

Step 3. Chop the vocal into time.

You can start to work on re-alining the vocal so it sits with the click track. Using the marquee tool highlight sections then use pointer tool to move them to where they sit in time with the click track. Be sure to keep listening back to your edits, don't just go by site. Work one measure at a time, you can use that screen set we set up earlier to zoom into one measure, just hit "2" on your keyboard. At this stage ignore the messy tails and overlaps. focus you ear in on the transients of the sounds and getting those in time by chopping arranging the audio. Really trust your ear, some things will sound better here off the grid and don't be afraid to modify the original rhythm and give it your own flavour.

Step 4. Tidy up the tails with Flex time.
After chopping the vocal up, you 4 bar loop may be sounding pretty average still. This is where you can use flex time to tidy up some tails, lengthening and shortening notes to fit with the groove. Uses ESC+R to get the flex tool or you can switch to flex mode but you already know all this as you watched the videos I posted earlier ;) My usual workflow is to get the tails tight, then listen to how it sits. If you need to add flex markers in the middle of the sound to get things tighter you can get to work on that now. At this stage the vocal should be very tight and flowing how you want it... but there may be some artefacts

Step 5. Attenuating artefacts with automation.
Load up a gain plug in (this is better to automate as it still leaves the fader free to set the overall level of the track). Press "a" to switch to automation mode and draw in fades where needed and ride the levels to mask any unwanted artefacts. You can use the "fades" tool for this but I like automation better, personal preference.


This should clear things up. If your still confused feel free to ask.

As a side note you can use flex as shown in the video's but the quality of using flex in combination with slicing audio yields better results for me and is definitely worthwhile learning. Especially when you get board of just beat making to an acapella and want to expand musically and have some serious fun chopping and re arranging vocals.

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 7:17 pm
by elyhess
I found this all very insightful! Thank you, I will try this when I get home. But can flex only be used on vocals? If u play the song, the part I want beat matched is the intro, no singing or vocals

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:44 am
by mitchAUS
Yeah you can use not on anything. Just try the different modes and see which sounds best

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:46 am
by elyhess
Okay, tonight i plan to sit down and figure this out. after a few bowls of course XD

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 1:41 am
by elyhess
Ok so basically ive done what you said although im not using a vocal, my tempo is at 120.

so i started off cutting a section into 4 measures, so i have 4 seperate clips each 1 measure in length. so you say to match up the these segments to the downbeat which is 1. but as im playing these four bars and counting 1,2,3,4, 1,2,3,4 my counting is matching up with the 4 bars perfectly? if you know what im saying

like i dont understand how to move them if when im counting outloud its matching up with my bars in logic. couldnt someone just count however fast they want lol? im confused

http://s425.photobucket.com/albums/pp33 ... 3758PM.png

i have a feeling im just doing it wrong xD

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:50 am
by mitchAUS
Yeah your doing it wrong. I'll buy the track and chop up those 4 bars and take screenshots. I'll explain it as I go and post it up here in a few hours.

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:37 am
by elyhess
mitchAUS wrote:Yeah your doing it wrong. I'll buy the track and chop up those 4 bars and take screenshots. I'll explain it as I go and post it up here in a few hours.
I really appreciate it, you dont even know! but please do not buy it, http://www.youtube-mp3.org/

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 4:20 am
by mitchAUS
hahahaha man... the track is in 3/4 not 4/4. That is probably why you have had so much trouble

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2011 3:46 pm
by elyhess
lul. does this mean i dont have to even do this crazy process can i just change it the master from 4/4 to 3/4

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:52 pm
by elyhess
mitchAUS wrote:hahahaha man... the track is in 3/4 not 4/4. That is probably why you have had so much trouble
so can i just change the master time signature?

Re: Question about remixing

Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:14 am
by elyhess
OK this problem is still unsolved for anyone who can help...

basically if mitch is correct and it is 3/4 then im still not doing it right, i change the time signiture to 3/4 and the metronome is still not syncing up, i even tried time stretching it to the nearest bar, so shouldnt it be working?

ive tried everything lol, perhaps a sign i should not remix this song?

any maybe thats why theres only like 2 other remixes and they are bad