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noam wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

noam wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:i cannot have empathy im afraid for people that for me waste not only money but also food and oxygen

materialistic people should die??

how enlightened

haha i meant food in a throw a lot of food away way totally not related to materialism but a lack of understanding of how precious food is

you took that the wrong way...i put oxygen there as another unrelelated joke to refer to the amount of mums on my estate with 8 kids paid for by the taxpayer..again there is a 'food air situation here people' to quote bill hicks

wasnt saying materialistic people should die, maybe should have been clearer

really. lol

so you're saying, in a thread you started about materialism, in a paragraph you wrote, about the effects of materialism, as a conclusion, you decided that it would be appropriate to bring up *ahem* food wastage, and erm... the pro's and con's of a socialist welfare state?

just trying to get the full picture here mate *awkward smiley*

genuinely yes noam i dont want materialistic people to die...i would much rather people be less materialistic...i equate it all together tbh mate...resources, money, false hopes and aspiration, pandering...loads of things...but i dont want anyone to die....however some people contribute a lot less within society

i never claimed i was intelligent

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

magma wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:and @magma so you need to spend loads of money to look good?

Not at all, but the less you're willing to pay, the more time you're probably going to have to spend sorting through endless heaps of rubbish in order to find something worth wearing. I live with girls that can dress themselves to an acceptable standard for a music awards night by spending a day going round thrift markets, but I don't have the time - I'd rather drop a few hundred quid every few months (or maybe even less often than that, tbh... bit of a splurge in winter and one in summer probably) to get half decent clobber without spending my entire life having to think about it.

We all have our vices... but the urge to look good seems a lot more natural than many. I've never really understood why people stigmatise fashion so much... it's as if those who can't be bothered want to force everyone else to compete on the same playing field. It's not our fault you're an ape that's evolved for millions of years specifically to make snap judgements of people by appearance, as well as the empathy to understand others are doing this too yet you've somehow still managed to not give a shit about what you look like to them. That's your disability, not society's.

i used to care a bit more when i was younger i dunno does everyone really care that much about the shallow image others form of them?

sometimes people look at my shoes and you can see they think theyre bait, but i feel sorry for them for being so materialistic

and i would say not caring how you look is hugely advantageous in some ways, obviously professionally its a different matter but it depends what youre gonna do...i cannot have empathy im afraid for people that for me waste not only money but also food and oxygen

Meh, it's just being honest about what sort of animals we are and live amongst. If I meet a new girl, the likelyhood is she will very quickly look at my shoes and make a, possibly entirely subconscious, assumption about me based on them. We do the same thing, however much we'd like to say we don't (and I used to have huge arguments with my Dad about it as a long haired, scruffy teenager), we all do... depending on our social circle and our personal prejudices we might even make assumptions in opposite directions. You might see a girl in scruffy trainers and think it's great she doesn't give a fuck, she might look at yours and think you obviously care about deeper things; or she might notice your sexy DJ headphones... it's a personal choice. However subconsciously, you decide your image... and you use it to attract friends and mates that are compatible with your mindset.

I just don't get why anyone gets as worked up about fashion as they do. If you "don't care", why did you even bother going into gwa's thread? What was there to gain but unpleasantness from doing that? Surely you must give a fuck on some sort of level to not just walk on by saying "No, not for me..." rather than deciding "Yes, I'm going to stop in and hint at him being a materialistic twat. That'll make the world better, that will."

Don't really see why anyone would care how much anyone spends on clothes, not sure how it's a huge achievement spending small amounts of money of clothing

just cos erm... normally, when you say something like, 'i cant have empathy for people who not only waste money but also waste food and oxygen' (to paraphrase ofcourse) it kinda means that those people who are wasting money, are the same people wasting food and oxygen, and its an expression im sure you're familiar with, that kinda means those people shouldn't exist. i.e. be dead.

and to add to what Magma said

by making overtly anti-materialistic comments, you are also inadvertantly exposing your own materialism, that is the NEED to be seen as someone who actively shy's away from any form of materialistic desire

which is the main problem i have with some people who choose to adopt elements of buddhist ideology into their lives, and is the same characterisation that gets mauled in popular fiction on a regular basis

if its all about ego you're just exercising yours in a different way, i dont care you wan spend 50p on used underwear instead of my £25 a pair calvins, it honestly will never ever keep me awake at night, the same is obviously not the case with yourself, and you tell US to get over ourselves

its almost worse that its never occurred to you before

Forums were invented for casually taking the piss out of people with different viewpoints to oneself. You're all reading way too much in to it!

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

jameshk wrote:sainsburys basics t-shirts

do they do plain white?

i like plain white t shirts and if the price is right i might have a look

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They do ONLY plain white. :p

£10 Bag wrote:Forums were invented for casually taking the piss out of people with different viewpoints to oneself. You're all reading way too much in to it!

This comment should somehow be stickied.

Seeing as I was recently laid off and am on the dole, I am going to have dig deep into my skatepunk past and become a thrift store superstar rocker again.

You're assuming that people interested in fashion are solely concerned about other people's perception of them. Have you considered that certain people buy nice clothes because they alone like them? I don't agree with brand names turning people into walking billboards and being worth more than the fabric and work itself, but if I find a shirt that I like I'll buy it (unless it's exorbitantly priced), regardless of other people's opinions. Fashion isn't explicitly about vanity.

magma wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

magma wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:and @magma so you need to spend loads of money to look good?

Not at all, but the less you're willing to pay, the more time you're probably going to have to spend sorting through endless heaps of rubbish in order to find something worth wearing. I live with girls that can dress themselves to an acceptable standard for a music awards night by spending a day going round thrift markets, but I don't have the time - I'd rather drop a few hundred quid every few months (or maybe even less often than that, tbh... bit of a splurge in winter and one in summer probably) to get half decent clobber without spending my entire life having to think about it.

We all have our vices... but the urge to look good seems a lot more natural than many. I've never really understood why people stigmatise fashion so much... it's as if those who can't be bothered want to force everyone else to compete on the same playing field. It's not our fault you're an ape that's evolved for millions of years specifically to make snap judgements of people by appearance, as well as the empathy to understand others are doing this too yet you've somehow still managed to not give a shit about what you look like to them. That's your disability, not society's.

i used to care a bit more when i was younger i dunno does everyone really care that much about the shallow image others form of them?

sometimes people look at my shoes and you can see they think theyre bait, but i feel sorry for them for being so materialistic

and i would say not caring how you look is hugely advantageous in some ways, obviously professionally its a different matter but it depends what youre gonna do...i cannot have empathy im afraid for people that for me waste not only money but also food and oxygen

Meh, it's just being honest about what sort of animals we are and live amongst. If I meet a new girl, the likelyhood is she will very quickly look at my shoes and make a, possibly entirely subconscious, assumption about me based on them. We do the same thing, however much we'd like to say we don't (and I used to have huge arguments with my Dad about it as a long haired, scruffy teenager), we all do... depending on our social circle and our personal prejudices we might even make assumptions in opposite directions. You might see a girl in scruffy trainers and think it's great she doesn't give a fuck, she might look at yours and think you obviously care about deeper things; or she might notice your sexy DJ headphones... it's a personal choice. However subconsciously, you decide your image... and you use it to attract friends and mates that are compatible with your mindset.

I just don't get why anyone gets as worked up about fashion as they do. If you "don't care", why did you even bother going into gwa's thread? What was there to gain but unpleasantness from doing that? Surely you must give a fuck on some sort of level to not just walk on by saying "No, not for me..." rather than deciding "Yes, I'm going to stop in and hint at him being a materialistic twat. That'll make the world better, that will."

surely everyone relates the actions of others to themselves magma, i only know what i do...i guess im mentally ill or something but whatever i think im better off

i cant help thinking that the people that lived through the second world war had more substance than people that get concerned about the non-essentials...my headphones cost me £85 (used)..improved my ability to hear tunes when mixing and i also use them for production..of which has led to 7 tunes being signed plus more coming...to me thats a good investment rather than me buying them because a girl would think they were sexy..most girls probably would rather see a pair of beats as they are more fashionable...hd25s look very unstylish to most people i suspect

i mean if someone wrote how great hitler was youd jump in and say 'no he was an arsehole' wouldnt you?
its not the same thing but the same principle...would you let them go on thinking he was great and not want to say anything?

@noam if thats what you read into it cool but i know what i meant, i meant in relation to people having too many kids they cant pay for en masse with the oxygen thing...i meant people wasting food in relation to general food wastage

@sunklo i get that but when i asked why the coat was worth £300 i was met with hostility, as to me it is all about prestige and branding as far as i can see and less about functionality (related to fabric quality)

you JUST Godwin's lawed your own thread...

holy fuck you're a buffoon

noam wrote:you JUST Godwin's lawed your own thread...

if YOU think that then you dont get where im coming from at all

upon asking what the coat did for £300 i was met with no response only hostility

if a fabric is superior then that in itself can lead to greater functionality and durability

are you telling me that the pricepoint of clothing relates exclusively to the quality of the fabric...i think you'll find branding comes into it a lot more...

btw your attempts to stick things on me here are pretty obvious...you need to make me look bad to make your point

gwa wrote:holy fuck you're a buffoon

youre a child with your responses, youre just lashing out because of being challenged...didnt wanna go there but the second personal insult with no explanation forced my hand

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

gwa wrote:holy fuck you're a buffoon

youre a child with your responses, youre just lashing out because of being challenged...didnt wanna go there but the second personal insult with no explanation forced my hand

you compared what Gwa asked to someone saying 'what hitler did was good'

that is the analogy of a buffoon.

i didn't think it needed explaining myself.

Hitler had some pretty spiff outfits though.

magma wrote:
I just don't get why anyone gets as worked up about fashion as they do. If you "don't care", why did you even bother going into gwa's thread? What was there to gain but unpleasantness from doing that? Surely you must give a fuck on some sort of level to not just walk on by saying "No, not for me..." rather than deciding "Yes, I'm going to stop in and hint at him being a materialistic twat. That'll make the world better, that will."

you're the one posting essays, sunshine

noam wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

gwa wrote:holy fuck you're a buffoon

youre a child with your responses, youre just lashing out because of being challenged...didnt wanna go there but the second personal insult with no explanation forced my hand

you compared what Gwa asked to someone saying 'what hitler did was good'

that is the analogy of a buffoon.

i didn't think it needed explaining myself.

that was in response to magma saying i had no reason to respond to gwas thread if i didnt like what it was about, i even said its not the same but the same principle...can you guys not read properly or something?

if you guys think that thats what i should have done then ill be sure to be all over you next time you disagree with someones thread...kinda like how youve done with mine even though i stayed totally out of your fashion thread lol

Liking Hitler really is rather more likely to indicate a failed personality than wanting to spend a little above average on clothing.

However consciously or otherwise you came upon your image, you have one. Through no fault of anything other than being a human you gave one. I figure it's best to have one I've thought about a bit, but I don't want to think about it as much as I'd need to to do it on a shoestring. It's not really that big a deal when it comes down to how 'good' someone is.

It's certainly rather silly to bring Hitler into almost anything.

Posting essays is what I do, gwa... never got the hang of that concise English shit!!

who wears clothes nowadays?