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Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:58 am
by Dubnasty
here is a small bar i did using the tutorial linked, doesnt sound too bad, but could use a little work; maybe some more distortion
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Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:44 am
by Samuel_L_Damnson
Earjax wrote:, your kick should definitely have a decent amount of low end in the 30-50 hz region, however and this WILL interfere with your sub
Dont do it then. I dont know why you would have sub bass frequencies in your kick sample if you know they are going to interfere with your sub. Perhaps I am reading this wrong. :/
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:12 pm
by Augment
Sinestepper wrote:Earjax wrote:, your kick should definitely have a decent amount of low end in the 30-50 hz region, however and this WILL interfere with your sub
Dont do it then. I dont know why you would have sub bass frequencies in your kick sample if you know they are going to interfere with your sub. Perhaps I am reading this wrong. :/
I sidechain my sub to my kick. Makes for a nice low end punch from the kick, which I really dig.
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:44 pm
by Dyssomnia
Can't believe nobody mentiones thor.. I'm not saying I'm the authority in Reason producing, but I've heard that Requake and Badklaat like to use Thor as well, it has this nice metallic sound.
Okay, so I do my basses different every time, but here are some examples.
Thor
FM osc 1-6 and play with FM
LPF
Shaper, could be anything, bipulse sounds fine here
Comb filter + with frequency at about 175 and res almost halfway.
bit of chorus and scream 4 tape distortion
Then EQ some of the nasty frequencies out of there as well as highpassin with BV-512
Bit of small space RV-7000 and then it's all about automation on the LPF & amp gain.
If you just do it like this and change the oscillators, I'm sure you'll be able to find something nice
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:21 pm
by Earjax
I side chain my stuff now that I have a multiband compressor
But I my kick still interferes with my sub a bit, tbh I really don't think it matters that much that they're on top of each other, the kick is literally there for punch in most of my tunes, not melody at all so its completely a tonal anyway and shouldn't cause dissonance
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 4:52 pm
by ogunslinger
try out the demo for refuse lowender to get that fat sub
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 6:42 pm
by MoonUnit
blinkesko wrote:Sinestepper wrote:Earjax wrote:, your kick should definitely have a decent amount of low end in the 30-50 hz region, however and this WILL interfere with your sub
Dont do it then. I dont know why you would have sub bass frequencies in your kick sample if you know they are going to interfere with your sub. Perhaps I am reading this wrong. :/
I sidechain my sub to my kick. Makes for a nice low end punch from the kick, which I really dig.
gaa duuur I've been known to use the LOW CUT setting on the m class EQ's on my kick (<30 hz) is this a bad idea? I don't have speakers that can produce this frequency range, but I was under the assumption from my readings on this site that there really shouldn't be anything down there. I leave my sub as a pure sine wave. If I am sidechaining the kick to the sub, is the EQ 'too much?'
On a note more related to the OP's concerns, the mention of Thor reminds me just how great Thor's comb filters are for creating metallic sounds. Find yourself a sweet spot and have an envelope or LFO move the filter by like 10 hz for some nice metallic movement.
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:21 pm
by ogunslinger
well if you cut your kick at 30hz and and your sub is hitting at the same time it would still interfere. Also it depends on the kick sample of course because one kick could have more low end than another kick... but generally just have a fat kick & small sub or small kick & fat sub, you can't have both at the same time or it's gonna get ugly
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:26 pm
by Augment
Most speaker systems wont be able to play sounds at 30hz and lower, so cutting it doesnt do much except give you more headroom, which is always lovely
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 9:58 pm
by Samuel_L_Damnson
MoonUnit wrote:blinkesko wrote:Sinestepper wrote:Earjax wrote:, your kick should definitely have a decent amount of low end in the 30-50 hz region, however and this WILL interfere with your sub
Dont do it then. I dont know why you would have sub bass frequencies in your kick sample if you know they are going to interfere with your sub. Perhaps I am reading this wrong. :/
I sidechain my sub to my kick. Makes for a nice low end punch from the kick, which I really dig.
gaa duuur I've been known to use the LOW CUT setting on the m class EQ's on my kick (<30 hz) is this a bad idea? I don't have speakers that can produce this frequency range, but I was under the assumption from my readings on this site that there really shouldn't be anything down there. I leave my sub as a pure sine wave. If I am sidechaining the kick to the sub, is the EQ 'too much?'
On a note more related to the OP's concerns, the mention of Thor reminds me just how great Thor's comb filters are for creating metallic sounds. Find yourself a sweet spot and have an envelope or LFO move the filter by like 10 hz for some nice metallic movement.
I honestly cut most stuff below 80 or 90 hz on my kicks out of personal preference. I think you can still have a punchy kick without loads of sub frequencies cluttering up your mix. I like to have just sub bass sitting in there.
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:54 am
by nowaysj
Hey thought krone used flstudio?
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:33 am
by Augment
Earjax wrote:Sparxy sorry man we're not trying to have a go at your techniques
Everyone has their way! However just to help you out from what I've learnt about mixing low end, your kick should definitely have a decent amount of low end in the 30-50 hz region, however and this WILL interfere with your sub, however there's nothing wrong with that happening as long as its not clipping, and if it is, your levels are too high. Also subs will sound as if they are resonating on certain notes more, this could be because of a lot of things: you've EQ'd it in the wrong place or too thinly, you have a lowpass with resonance on, or the shape of your room is making some notes resonate more (sound louder). Simple way to solve this: don't use lowpasses (unless they have a slider for q factor, which should be all the way if it does) use EQ instead. Also limiting and compression are essential when mixing sub as it is a sure way to make sure all notes are hitting just as hard. If you don't believe me, some of this advice has come directly from the badman klaat himself.
On a separate note, the tune in your sig is great man!!! Htf did you get your growl?!?
I dont see how compressing the sub would help, the more you compress it, the more squarey it gets, and after all, a pure sine is a pure sub.
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:15 am
by Cubicle
blinkesko wrote:Earjax wrote:Sparxy sorry man we're not trying to have a go at your techniques
Everyone has their way! However just to help you out from what I've learnt about mixing low end, your kick should definitely have a decent amount of low end in the 30-50 hz region, however and this WILL interfere with your sub, however there's nothing wrong with that happening as long as its not clipping, and if it is, your levels are too high. Also subs will sound as if they are resonating on certain notes more, this could be because of a lot of things: you've EQ'd it in the wrong place or too thinly, you have a lowpass with resonance on, or the shape of your room is making some notes resonate more (sound louder). Simple way to solve this: don't use lowpasses (unless they have a slider for q factor, which should be all the way if it does) use EQ instead. Also limiting and compression are essential when mixing sub as it is a sure way to make sure all notes are hitting just as hard. If you don't believe me, some of this advice has come directly from the badman klaat himself.
On a separate note, the tune in your sig is great man!!! Htf did you get your growl?!?
I dont see how compressing the sub would help, the more you compress it, the more squarey it gets, and after all, a pure sine is a pure sub.
Why would you even compress a pure sine sub? Let alone EQ it...
I always cut out till 80 on my kick, differs from my sample. So my kick has enough low but still not too much to interfere with my sub.
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 3:51 pm
by Earjax
Cubicle wrote:blinkesko wrote:Earjax wrote:Sparxy sorry man we're not trying to have a go at your techniques
Everyone has their way! However just to help you out from what I've learnt about mixing low end, your kick should definitely have a decent amount of low end in the 30-50 hz region, however and this WILL interfere with your sub, however there's nothing wrong with that happening as long as its not clipping, and if it is, your levels are too high. Also subs will sound as if they are resonating on certain notes more, this could be because of a lot of things: you've EQ'd it in the wrong place or too thinly, you have a lowpass with resonance on, or the shape of your room is making some notes resonate more (sound louder). Simple way to solve this: don't use lowpasses (unless they have a slider for q factor, which should be all the way if it does) use EQ instead. Also limiting and compression are essential when mixing sub as it is a sure way to make sure all notes are hitting just as hard. If you don't believe me, some of this advice has come directly from the badman klaat himself.
On a separate note, the tune in your sig is great man!!! Htf did you get your growl?!?
I dont see how compressing the sub would help, the more you compress it, the more squarey it gets, and after all, a pure sine is a pure sub.
Why would you even compress a pure sine sub? Let alone EQ it...
I always cut out till 80 on my kick, differs from my sample. So my kick has enough low but still not too much to interfere with my sub.
Yeah that was a while ago, my process has changed quite a bit from back then. I never use pure sine subs btw, they never fit in with my mids and just lack the powerful feel I want from a sub. As for the kick, I like there to be at least a bit in the 40-70 region, just makes it wider and without it the kick lacks presence
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 4:37 pm
by Augment
Earjax wrote:Cubicle wrote:blinkesko wrote:Earjax wrote:Sparxy sorry man we're not trying to have a go at your techniques
Everyone has their way! However just to help you out from what I've learnt about mixing low end, your kick should definitely have a decent amount of low end in the 30-50 hz region, however and this WILL interfere with your sub, however there's nothing wrong with that happening as long as its not clipping, and if it is, your levels are too high. Also subs will sound as if they are resonating on certain notes more, this could be because of a lot of things: you've EQ'd it in the wrong place or too thinly, you have a lowpass with resonance on, or the shape of your room is making some notes resonate more (sound louder). Simple way to solve this: don't use lowpasses (unless they have a slider for q factor, which should be all the way if it does) use EQ instead. Also limiting and compression are essential when mixing sub as it is a sure way to make sure all notes are hitting just as hard. If you don't believe me, some of this advice has come directly from the badman klaat himself.
On a separate note, the tune in your sig is great man!!! Htf did you get your growl?!?
I dont see how compressing the sub would help, the more you compress it, the more squarey it gets, and after all, a pure sine is a pure sub.
Why would you even compress a pure sine sub? Let alone EQ it...
I always cut out till 80 on my kick, differs from my sample. So my kick has enough low but still not too much to interfere with my sub.
Yeah that was a while ago, my process has changed quite a bit from back then. I never use pure sine subs btw, they never fit in with my mids and just lack the powerful feel I want from a sub. As for the kick, I like there to be at least a bit in the 40-70 region, just makes it wider and without it the kick lacks presence
You must be doing something wrong if a sine at 60 hz is interfering with your mids. + How can you not get it to be powerful? :O I am confused
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 5:03 pm
by Sonika
wait so for people like coki, goth trad, kromestar, etc, are they layering a seperate sub with their midrange or is it all one synthesized sound? because listening to a tune like haunted by coki, I can't discern a seperate sub from the wobble
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 6:49 pm
by Augment
Sonika wrote:wait so for people like coki, goth trad, kromestar, etc, are they layering a seperate sub with their midrange or is it all one synthesized sound? because listening to a tune like haunted by coki, I can't discern a seperate sub from the wobble
I think he's layered a sub, then just made it follow the wobble in a way that they sound like 1 sound.
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:39 pm
by Cubicle
I find it hilarious how every thread that asks for a certain sounds turns into a 'kick interfering with sub' thread.
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 7:58 pm
by Samuel_L_Damnson
blinkesko wrote:Sonika wrote:wait so for people like coki, goth trad, kromestar, etc, are they layering a seperate sub with their midrange or is it all one synthesized sound? because listening to a tune like haunted by coki, I can't discern a seperate sub from the wobble
I think he's layered a sub, then just made it follow the wobble in a way that they sound like 1 sound.
Yeah i think blinkesko has it. like duplicate the track and change the oscillators on the duplicate to just one sine and have the lfo affecting the volume instead of filter cut off, whilst keeping al of the midi data and automation.
Re: Getting a fat badklaat, requake, kromestar sound.
Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:02 pm
by TRNSPLNT
put together a few similar sounding sounds. a lot of automation on envelopes like the attack etc
something a little like that kinda sound
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