Mala....the next DJ Kool Herc?

[incnic]

extermelyretardedblinkeredsociety
x

house
theoparrish ----> guetta

lol

[extremesociety]

extermelyretardedblinkeredsociety
x

house
theoparrish ----> guetta

lol

BlAh.

[extremesociety]

I'm not ignorant, I'm just trying to call them like I'm witnessing them.

[leyenda]

And what about mainstream peaks of genres like UK garage, trance and dnb? By your reasoning that dubstep will become a super genre did these?

I guess what I'm saying is that Dubstep is further along than any of these ever were in terms of the diversification they've brought. And even further, because of these genres, Dubstep is afforded the opportunity.

Fuck, now that I think about it more, yeah maybe not house. But still, some house DJs have begun to include that "dubstep feel" into their sets.

Hmm, well trance actually has a lot of sub genres and might rival it in diversity in terms of what can and has been called trance but I'll concede on dnb and UK garage. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. I just don't think it has a characteristic that separates it as its own super genre in the way rock, jazz etc are.

[cultural delete]

I'm not ignorant, I'm just trying to call them like I'm witnessing them.

but who are them?
and why is it?

[slanguage]

You mention happy hardcore, but I would counter that it's a subset of rock

And anyway, I don't even think hip hop is on the same 'super genre' status as rock, jazz, classical etc. I'd put it and dubstep under electronic music as a comparable genre size. If anything house is bigger than hip hop anyway.

is this man a donut?


wtf are you talking about? you do realize hip hop has had the biggest cultural impact musically for the last 30 years?

i can't believe what i'm reading

some people on this forum i swear down make me laugh...hip hop isn't some small niche genre you know

[Maccaveli]

also: mala isnt a hiphop dj

I don't think he is. I think you're missing the point.

The point is, it's slowly dripping into the larger social consciousness as those other genres have before it. At least it seems so to me, although it's hard to tell at the time it's coming up.

I don't even think hip hop is on the same 'super genre' status as rock, jazz, classical etc.

This, we can disagree on.

I'd put it and dubstep under electronic music as a comparable genre size.

I suppose, yeah. But for now—but maybe not for later. I'm most definitely talking speculatively.

Hold on, are you saying that house is bigger than hip hop? The fuck are you smoking?
I should say when I say rock there I'm talking in its broadest sense so that includes metal etc. Ok well do you agree that house is bigger than hip hop? If so surely that's also comparable to rock and jazz in your opinion? And what about mainstream peaks of genres like UK garage, trance and dnb? By your reasoning that dubstep will become a super genre did these?

[faultier]

also, about the kool herc/mala-hip hop/dubstep parallel

while i see what op means with the idea that some local scene made it global in both cases, i'd say the comparison stops here, hip-hop was quite different in the way that its a whole subculture in itself: there's djing, mcing, writing, dancing, etc... you could go as far as saying that it really is a way of life, complete with its slang and dresscodes (truth is lots of clothing brands would probably be nowhere near where they at now without the hip hop culture)

personally, i think dubstep is not all this...

[leyenda]

is this man a donut?


wtf are you talking about? you do realize hip hop has had the biggest cultural impact musically for the last 30 years?

i can't believe what i'm reading

some people on this forum i swear down make me laugh...hip hop isn't some small niche genre you know

Thanks for clarifying that mate, I've seen the light. I definitely thought it was a small niche genre
Just because rappers and bling are involved does not make a track hip hop. I think if you took away house it would have a bigger impact than if you took away hip hop that's all. House has been incorporated into things like pop and 'urban music' etc to such an extent that people don't even realise it. More top 40 hits (which sadly is what defines pop culture) are house at their heart than hip hop.

[extremesociety]

House has been incorporated into things like pop and 'urban music' etc to such an extent that people don't even realise it. More top 40 hits (which sadly is what defines pop culture) are house at their heart than hip hop.

For sure, but Dubstep influenced elements are making their way into top 40 tracks more and more.

[leyenda]

House has been incorporated into things like pop and 'urban music' etc to such an extent that people don't even realise it. More top 40 hits (which sadly is what defines pop culture) are house at their heart than hip hop.

For sure, but Dubstep influenced elements are making their way into top 40 tracks more and more.

True but I would be surprised if those elements are still present 10 years down the line.

[cultural delete]

House has been incorporated into things like pop and 'urban music' etc to such an extent that people don't even realise it. More top 40 hits (which sadly is what defines pop culture) are house at their heart than hip hop.

For sure, but Dubstep influenced elements are making their way into top 40 tracks more and more.

True but I would be surprised if those elements are still present 10 years down the line.

damn right
dubstep is the UGG boots phase of the hardcore contiuum
best cleanse your mind about any ideas of significance it will have in social history

[extremesociety]

House has been incorporated into things like pop and 'urban music' etc to such an extent that people don't even realise it. More top 40 hits (which sadly is what defines pop culture) are house at their heart than hip hop.

For sure, but Dubstep influenced elements are making their way into top 40 tracks more and more.

True but I would be surprised if those elements are still present 10 years down the line.

And thus, my point. That's what the last generation said about rap.

[leyenda]

House has been incorporated into things like pop and 'urban music' etc to such an extent that people don't even realise it. More top 40 hits (which sadly is what defines pop culture) are house at their heart than hip hop.

For sure, but Dubstep influenced elements are making their way into top 40 tracks more and more.

True but I would be surprised if those elements are still present 10 years down the line.

And thus, my point. That's what the last generation said about rap.

But hip hop in it's original sense isn't really present in top 40 stuff except for the presence of rapping anymore. Where's all the scratching and sampling? It's like saying Dizzee Rascal 'Dance Wiv Me' is grime just cos a grime MC is over the top. Do you hear much of hip hop in Snoop Dogg's 'I Wanna Make You Wet' cos I certainly don't.

[extremesociety]

House has been incorporated into things like pop and 'urban music' etc to such an extent that people don't even realise it. More top 40 hits (which sadly is what defines pop culture) are house at their heart than hip hop.

For sure, but Dubstep influenced elements are making their way into top 40 tracks more and more.

True but I would be surprised if those elements are still present 10 years down the line.

And thus, my point. That's what the last generation said about rap.

But hip hop in it's original sense isn't really present in top 40 stuff except for the presence of rapping anymore. Where's all the scratching and sampling? It's like saying Dizzee Rascal 'Dance Wiv Me' is grime just cos a grime MC is over the top. Do you hear much of hip hop in Snoop Dogg's 'I Wanna Make You Wet' cos I certainly don't.

Ok, but I don't want this to turn into a discussion about "what is hip-hop, and what isn't". Hip-hop has a lineage too and diversified into tons of different sub-genres from the Neptunes, to Dirty South, to Trapper rap, to Ludacris guesting on "Baby" (??!!)—just as Dubstep influenced music continues to diversify itself in a million directions, but all still falls under the umbrella of "Dubstep".

[leeany]

is this man a donut?


wtf are you talking about? you do realize hip hop has had the biggest cultural impact musically for the last 30 years?

i can't believe what i'm reading

some people on this forum i swear down make me laugh...hip hop isn't some small niche genre you know

Thanks for clarifying that mate, I've seen the light. I definitely thought it was a small niche genre
Just because rappers and bling are involved does not make a track hip hop. I think if you took away house it would have a bigger impact than if you took away hip hop that's all. House has been incorporated into things like pop and 'urban music' etc to such an extent that people don't even realise it. More top 40 hits (which sadly is what defines pop culture) are house at their heart than hip hop.

so the size of a genre is defined by how many top 40 hits it influences ?

[leyenda]

is this man a donut?


wtf are you talking about? you do realize hip hop has had the biggest cultural impact musically for the last 30 years?

i can't believe what i'm reading

some people on this forum i swear down make me laugh...hip hop isn't some small niche genre you know

Thanks for clarifying that mate, I've seen the light. I definitely thought it was a small niche genre
Just because rappers and bling are involved does not make a track hip hop. I think if you took away house it would have a bigger impact than if you took away hip hop that's all. House has been incorporated into things like pop and 'urban music' etc to such an extent that people don't even realise it. More top 40 hits (which sadly is what defines pop culture) are house at their heart than hip hop.

so the size of a genre is defined by how many top 40 hits it influences ?

I'd say that's one way of measuring it's relative impact on pop culture which is what slanguage seemed to be getting at. In terms of the size of the actual genre I guess how many sub genres, sub-sub genres etc it umbrellas is one way of establishing how big that overarching genre would have to be. In that case I'd say house beats hip hop again. As for actually knowing the number of tracks produced in both genres and which might have more...I don't think anyone could even begin to claim to know. How would you define a genre's size?

[Cornbreadddd]

No.


And don't tell me what to do.

^ This. Why people thrive off bringing up the same topic over and over and over on this forum baffles me.

[extremesociety]

No.


And don't tell me what to do.

^ This. Why people thrive off bringing up the same topic over and over and over on this forum baffles me.

Point me to a thread.

[fractal]

why is it always an American who makes threads like these?

making us look bad buddy