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with zebra you can morph between two different waveforms

Electric_Head wrote:2 synths, automate the dry/wet knob

what`s soo difficult?

my thoughts exactly as soon as I saw the thread name.

I think a lot of you are getting confused between morphing and fading. Fading is just changing volumes of each sound and at any point in the fade you'll still hear both sounds.

Morphing is the changing of one sound to another. Only one sound will be heard at any point, and it will be a combination of the 2. Alchemy achieves this by re-synthesizing the sounds with additive synthesis. There's a lot of info and some sound examples here: http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Kelly/sou ... -morph.wav

One example of a male singer morphed into a trombone: http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/Kelly/sou ... -morph.wav

There's a vst - prosoniq morph but its mac only. It used to be windows too, i don't know if an old version will work on windows 7.

There's also kyma, which amon tobin uses to morph sounds. But that costs a few grand, and is a sound designers dream come true.

Doesn't the 'like in fm8' imply he wants a modulator plug in, not just the ability to fade between two synths?

A comprehensive modulation effect, offering 3 types of modulation of audio signals: amplitude modulation, ring modulation, and frequency modulation. There are three audio sources, all of which may be used as either the modulator signal, or the carrier signal (and in some cases, both simultaneously)


edit:kinda what mark said

Electric_Head wrote:

RandoRando wrote:

Electric_Head wrote:2 synths, automate the dry/wet knob

what`s soo difficult?

when you morph in fm8, its not just volume, they actually frequency modualte each other, and you get crazy mixed sounds when you morph, hell it even has a Z plane, on top of the x and y

I think my point was missed.
Daftcunt spelled out what I was saying.
You can automate the wet/dry to move between the 2 synth lines.
And if you read the OP's post that is what he was asking.

He used the incorrect terminology to describe fm8's morphing abilities which as with Alchemy can morph to different patch states.
FM8 however is not morphing between different synths.
understand my point?

i know i never said morph between synths, its morphs between presets, i was just telling the people who dont have fm8 its not just automating volume of two different sounds

we understand its not the same as what FM8 is doing with its pad, but we are giving him some way to blend between 2 synths that might give him something at least depending on what exactly hes trying to do. If we knew an effect plugin that replicates exactly whats going on in FM8 we would have suggested it, obviously you guys dont either.

Brian Oblivion wrote:we understand its not the same as what FM8 is doing with its pad, but we are giving him some way to blend between 2 synths that might give him something at least depending on what exactly hes trying to do. If we knew an effect plugin that replicates exactly whats going on in FM8 we would have suggested it, obviously you guys dont either.

If you'd bothered to read the link i posted, you'd see and understand that sound MORPHING is very different from FADING(wet/dry knob as its incorrectly been called here).

And software that does re-synthesis and morphing has also been suggested.

Yeah, I thought he just wanted to switch between two different synths... I was thinking side-chain one to the other but to combine them instead... Can't you just send them to a bus and compress them together to taste or am I not understanding op correctly?

VirtualMark wrote:

Brian Oblivion wrote:we understand its not the same as what FM8 is doing with its pad, but we are giving him some way to blend between 2 synths that might give him something at least depending on what exactly hes trying to do. If we knew an effect plugin that replicates exactly whats going on in FM8 we would have suggested it, obviously you guys dont either.

If you'd bothered to read the link i posted, you'd see and understand that sound MORPHING is very different from FADING(wet/dry knob as its incorrectly been called here).

And software that does re-synthesis and morphing has also been suggested.

Im aware its different I dont need to read your little link, reread my post you just quoted and stop getting yourself in a tizz. Basically you have come to the idea that if you bounce out both patches into Alchemy you can do something similar there. you might as well tell him to reprogram the massive sound into FM8, the answer is no, you dont know of an effect that can morph between 2 synths either. People have given alternative things you can do that may give a pleasant result in the absence of anyone knowing a device that can do what he actually wants, no ones under the impression the FM8 morph is a crossfader.

Brian Oblivion wrote: If we knew an effect plugin that replicates exactly whats going on in FM8 we would have suggested it, obviously you guys dont either.

There's a link to a vst that does this on the previous page. No au though..

Brian Oblivion wrote:if you bounce out both patches into Alchemy you can do something similar there

YES. That's the idea. You can morph between the two sounds. Now if you're suggesting that bouncing a synth is going to sound different to it being live, then there's no talking to you.

Brian Oblivion wrote:the answer is no, you dont know of an effect that can morph between 2 synths either

I also suggested Prosoniq Morph, a realtime morphing vst. Clearly you didn't see that either?

VirtualMark wrote:

Brian Oblivion wrote:if you bounce out both patches into Alchemy you can do something similar there

YES. That's the idea. You can morph between the two sounds. Now if you're suggesting that bouncing a synth is going to sound different to it being live, then there's no talking to you.

no, Im suggesting maybe he doesnt have alchemy or maybe doesnt have the time and patience to bounce out full patches of notes, maybe he wants to experiment with all the patche sin both synths, or maybe all he really wants to do is get some way to transition between patches on 2 synths with a control he can use in real time and would be fine with a fader, or maybe you got out of the wrong side of bed today my man and shouldnt get yourself in a twist over people offering suggestions without going off on a long one about the exact differences between processes. You can talk to me all you want, you can even shout at me, but dont think youre gonna educate me about the definition of production terms, I know already and tbh Im not so ADHD that I give a shit, no harm to you buddy.

Brian Oblivion wrote:no, Im suggesting maybe he doesnt have alchemy or maybe doesnt have the time and patience to bounce out full patches of notes, maybe he wants to experiment with all the patche sin both synths, or maybe all he really wants to do is get some way to transition between patches on 2 synths with a control he can use in real time and would be fine with a fader

To be fair, you're assuming a lot there. i just answered the question, is there a vst that morphs between synths. Yes there is.

Brian Oblivion wrote:or maybe you got out of the wrong side of bed today my man and shouldnt get yourself in a twist over people offering suggestions without going off on a long one about the exact differences between processes.

Clearly you're the one who is upset that someone dared to offer a different answer to you. When did i say i was upset? And what is wrong with providing an explanation with a link? Not everyone knows the difference between fading and morphing, this is clear from the amount of suggestions about using a wet/dry knob.

This is getting very rubber and glue

synths in reaktor can do this, skanner is really good at morphing things

hey! you can use FM8 as an insert effect:

1) Insert FM8 FX in the Massive channel.
2) Turn on the IN operator in the Expert Section in FM8.
3) You can use the Massive input channel as regular FM8 operator, meaning you can FM it or use it as an FM.

VirtualMark wrote: Clearly you're the one who is upset that someone dared to offer a different answer to you. When did i say i was upset? And what is wrong with providing an explanation with a link? Not everyone knows the difference between fading and morphing, this is clear from the amount of suggestions about using a wet/dry knob.

Im not offended duder, if you go back up and look youll see it was you quoting me and having a caps dig for not reading your link, I didnt come out of the blue and start slamming anything you had suggested. I said in my first post that it was a crossfader and if youve got a more interesting way to blend 2 sounds with an effect then post it, when I clicked to post he had 1 reply so I thought Id give him some sort of alternative. Its not my wish to be hostile with anyone on a forum. The guy with the wet/dry, lol, I think that must be some sort of daw specific setup and whatever hes working on thats what its called and how it works.

I dont want to argue geezer, apologies for any misunderstanding.

Brian Oblivion wrote: Im not offended duder, if you go back up and look youll see it was you quoting me and having a caps dig for not reading your link, I didnt come out of the blue and start slamming anything you had suggested. I said in my first post that it was a crossfader and if youve got a more interesting way to blend 2 sounds with an effect then post it, when I clicked to post he had 1 reply so I thought Id give him some sort of alternative. Its not my wish to be hostile with anyone on a forum. The guy with the wet/dry, lol, I think that must be some sort of daw specific setup and whatever hes working on thats what its called and how it works.

I dont want to argue geezer, apologies for any misunderstanding.

no worries mate, my apologies too. i used caps just to emphasize some words, suppose it does come off like i'm shouting but it wasn't meant that way. i do like to try to help people if i know something, not trying to dictate to people more experienced than myself tho.

e-motion wrote:hey! you can use FM8 as an insert effect:

1) Insert FM8 FX in the Massive channel.
2) Turn on the IN operator in the Expert Section in FM8.
3) You can use the Massive input channel as regular FM8 operator, meaning you can FM it or use it as an FM.

this can be done in zebrify as well (which comes with zebra)
its only worth FMing static sounds/wavecycles in my opinion, when using FM on modulated sounds it can sound a bit messy.
also zebrify sounds a little cleaner since it using phase distortion rather than real FM.

Rhino2 has the same ability