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all i've heard so far is 160 so i'd stick to that. and wasnt dubstep 138?

Warp some footwork tracks on ableton and look at where they place their hits.

some people think its cigarette bpm if its 4x4

140 Juke sounds good. I'm sure you've listened to Addison Groove's stuff. 140 or 150 or 160 are just general guideline though. one has to feel the tempo and adjust accordingly

Also, sometimes a track produced in slower tempo can 'feel' faster if you shuffle the rhythm.

Oh btw, if Phil Collins does juke

Teacher / juke producer breaks it down

http://jazner.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/ ... -footwork/

Mushroom Buttons wrote:Teacher / juke producer breaks it down

http://jazner.wordpress.com/2012/02/21/ ... -footwork/

Literally just came here to post this as it's the most clear explanation of footwork and juke (seems a lot of people are still clueless to the difference between the two).

Footwork is really what a lot of people here are more into. Although a lot of stuff mentioned in this thread isn't really either (Addison groove isn't footwork/juke at 140 it's just bass music influenced by those styles)

"how to produce x" threads bother me because it's like you're reducing making a genre down to a formula and a set of guidelines. can't be good for creativity or innovation.

that said, heavy 808 bass, cool, interesting percussion, a tripleted feel, a bit of swagger and you're on your way

hasezwei wrote:all i've heard so far is 160 so i'd stick to that. and wasnt dubstep 138?

Yeah in very early stages

The coolest thing about the whole Juke/Footwork thing is, you don't have to follow lots of rules 'to fit in'... So It's a genre with lots of potential and grow possibilities!

This is my take on the genre... And I just loved making it!
It's more like 3 songs in one and I made it really fast (2 hours)

Soundcloud

So yeah, I would say don't listen to the shit and don't read to much about it... Just open your daw, get the groove going and try new things out! Be creative... The mixdown doesn't matter!

societyloser1 wrote:The coolest thing about the whole Juke/Footwork thing is, you don't have to follow lots of rules 'to fit in'... So It's a genre with lots of potential and grow possibilities!

This is my take on the genre... And I just loved making it!
It's more like 3 songs in one and I made it really fast (2 hours)

Soundcloud

So yeah, I would say don't listen to the shit and don't read to much about it... Just open your daw, get the groove going and try new things out! Be creative... The mixdown doesn't matter!

nice one! digging your style, you should keep doing this stuff

have a 3-tunes-in-1 demo too, all unfinished (actually working on them at the moment)
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if anyone's got questions go ahead, i have no secrets.

time for an update. this time its bout what i'd call 'straight juke' or non-footworking tracks. ghetto house, whatever.





just to show you guys juke isnt all about dotted 808's and pitchshifted samples repeated ad nauseum

man. all this fuss over tempo. i dunno even know what there is to say about footwork production. if you listen to some real raw chicago footwork style, it's incredibly simple. painfully simple. heavy 808s. maybe a 909 hat. use any sample that could be used in hip-hop. lots of syncopated rhythms.
it's basically just techno that never left the area and has been stewing in the pot for 20 odd years. the story is that it became faster because DJs in strip clubs wanted to make the dancers move quicker.

i think it's a very fun style, and you're in the right territory as long as the bass in your track is supplied by 808 or similar and you have some really groovy and energetic rhythm that underpins it.. it's cool that it's coming up a lil bit, i personally had to go exploring every dance style that exists just to find out about it. it's amazing in that it takes such simple, common elements, and blends them in a unique and distinctive way, which means it is easy to put a little of its flavor in your tracks if you can feel it.

basically i would say the most important part of a juke mix or track, is the rhythm change. when the clap goes from 2 n 4 to just 3. very important and heavy.
my sig tracks has some footwerk influence, although it may be overshadowed by other styles. it's definitely going to be something in the collective musical consciousness in the years to come.

A lot of it depends on whether you're trying to make Chicago-style tracks or newer more UK bass influenced stuff. If you're going for the UK sound, just do whatever you would normally do, speed it up to 160, and make the beat a juke pattern. A lot of that stuff is alright, but it's definitely not my area, so I don't have too much to add about it.

For more Chicago-esque tracks, the samples that you use (especially drum samples) are as important as what you do with them. Someone above said that the production can be "painfully simple" -- but if that's the route you take, things are going to sound just like that: painful and simple.

Anyway, here's one of my tracks, to give you an idea of where I'm coming from.

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never even heard of this, pretty sick though might give it a try.

In the club at 11 oclock, tryna kick but im kinda early.

no i was saying: it can be painfully simple, but it's good fun all the same

This thread inspired me to make something
I'll post it when i'm done.

all i know is that making actual chicago juke music like the ghettotek shit is fucking HARD TO DO

many fine lines that can't be crossed

and people talk shit on how simple it is

everyone in dis thread knows