FEED ME Growl-ish bass in ONE CLICK HEADSHOT

[Attila]

I've always gotten interesting results by inverting and macroing two hi/low pass filters on one sound.

[Electric_Head]

Is there anywhere I can read more about "notch automation"? Sounds very interesting. :]

What I do is apply REAeq to the channel I want to notch.(any eq that can be automated)
I will add a steep notch at a frequency, never terribly specific to start out with.
I will then automate the notch with a slow lfo to move up and down the frequency range.
Either manually find appealing frequencies to stop the automation or just let it move across the audible frequencies.
Add an additional notch to move across a small frequency range and repeat.

You`re essentially just creating variation in the sound by shifting a dip across the frequency range.

[Hircine]

Massive is a synth, not a DAW. Step outside it, that sound is only 10% synth work, the rest comes from automating filters, eq notches, then resampling and splitting to taste, all done inside your DAW, not in the synth.

[4rantare]

Is there anywhere I can read more about "notch automation"? Sounds very interesting. :]

What I do is apply REAeq to the channel I want to notch.(any eq that can be automated)
I will add a steep notch at a frequency, never terribly specific to start out with.
I will then automate the notch with a slow lfo to move up and down the frequency range.
Either manually find appealing frequencies to stop the automation or just let it move across the audible frequencies.
Add an additional notch to move across a small frequency range and repeat.

You`re essentially just creating variation in the sound by shifting a dip across the frequency range.

The LFOs you are talking about.. are they synth specific or is there some EQ/filter-LFO that you are using? I want to try this! :]
I have Massive and FM8.

[Electric_Head]

Is there anywhere I can read more about "notch automation"? Sounds very interesting. :]

What I do is apply REAeq to the channel I want to notch.(any eq that can be automated)
I will add a steep notch at a frequency, never terribly specific to start out with.
I will then automate the notch with a slow lfo to move up and down the frequency range.
Either manually find appealing frequencies to stop the automation or just let it move across the audible frequencies.
Add an additional notch to move across a small frequency range and repeat.

You`re essentially just creating variation in the sound by shifting a dip across the frequency range.

The LFOs you are talking about.. are they synth specific or is there some EQ/filter-LFO that you are using? I want to try this! :]
I have Massive and FM8.

sorry, Reaper has a function to assign an lfo to any automation parameter.
You could achieve the same on most daws.
Or you could draw in a very slow lfo curve onto your automation lane.

[jdoost123]

hey guys, check out the plug in called "Sugar Bites WOW", run your Reese Basses through there and see the results

[subfect]

You can use loads of notches, just automate them to change frequencies.

This is not a notch, it's a peak eq.

Another trick is to send the bass to two channels - high-pass one, low-pass the other. This allows you to not only modulate the EQ across both, but also the space between them. Have a listen to a bass whereby almost nothing is shown (lp really low, hp really high) and listen as they come together, pretty dope

Also, make sure you do a shitload of distortion BEFORE the notching. Key!

[Electric_Head]

This is not a notch, it's a peak eq.

Another trick is to send the bass to two channels - high-pass one, low-pass the other. This allows you to not only modulate the EQ across both, but also the space between them. Have a listen to a bass whereby almost nothing is shown (lp really low, hp really high) and listen as they come together, pretty dope

Also, make sure you do a shitload of distortion BEFORE the notching. Key!

It`s by definition the same thing just flipped.
Semantics man, don`t get lost in them.

[Augment]

This is not a notch, it's a peak eq.

Another trick is to send the bass to two channels - high-pass one, low-pass the other. This allows you to not only modulate the EQ across both, but also the space between them. Have a listen to a bass whereby almost nothing is shown (lp really low, hp really high) and listen as they come together, pretty dope

Also, make sure you do a shitload of distortion BEFORE the notching. Key!

It`s by definition the same thing just flipped.
Semantics man, don`t get lost in them.

Cowgirl is by definition almost the same thing as missionary, just flipped...

[subfect]

This is not a notch, it's a peak eq.

Another trick is to send the bass to two channels - high-pass one, low-pass the other. This allows you to not only modulate the EQ across both, but also the space between them. Have a listen to a bass whereby almost nothing is shown (lp really low, hp really high) and listen as they come together, pretty dope

Also, make sure you do a shitload of distortion BEFORE the notching. Key!

It`s by definition the same thing just flipped.
Semantics man, don`t get lost in them.

And yet if you talk to someone saying you want to give a peak to a given sound, instead of a notch - you're going to communicate the total opposite. Semantics actually, are rather important when it comes to technical aspects.

[Electric_Head]

yes yes

I think my point was missed.
I was merely illustrating the shape of a notch be it a peak or a dip.

I`m trying not to be overly technical as Methadose seemed to want a basic understanding of the shape.

[mromgwtf]

The peak here is in ohms, not in decibels, dummies lol

It'a a notch filter.

[RandoRando]

You can use loads of notches, just automate them to change frequencies.

isnt that a bandpass

[Maxxan]

The peak here is in ohms, not in decibels, dummies lol

It'a a notch filter.

This gentleman wins the thread. Well spotted, my good lad.

OP, if your sound is too hissy you're probably sweeping the peak too far up in the frequencies. For me the sweet spot is usually between 100-400 hz, combined with some notch filters sweeping about in a different manner. Also what I do is scoop out a pretty wide but not too deep notch around 200-400 hz and then make a narrow peak in the low mids to get a more 'formant' sound. Sounds better when you sweep the EQ bands over them if I do that I've noticed. If you want you can follow formant tables, otherwise just put them in where they sound good.

Also, I've always suspected some of Feed Me's movement comes from PWM but I'm not sure. You can get awesome results by combining PWM, EQ automation and notch filters though. Automating the drive on a sine shaper or something in massive is cool as well.

What someone said about splitting HP/LP filters was really dope, never thought of trying that, will check it out asap. Thanks!

[RmoniK]

You can use loads of notches, just automate them to change frequencies.

That is not a notch filter.. That's just a bell curve.

This is a notch filter:


It sure as hell aint the same thing, since a notch filter cuts frequences out with a gain of -infinity. Bell/peak filters have fixed gains. Also, the slope is different (different algorithm), since the notch filter has an asymptote it's a hyperbola, whereas a bell curve obviously isn't.

[Electric_Head]

Everyone missed my point.
I know exactly what a notch filter cut is.
I was using an exaggerated example to illustrate.
I was not referring to the size of the frequency cut, whether it was a cut or not.
My post was merely explaining how to find the harsh frequency.
And how to cut the relating frequency.

[mromgwtf]

Why are you still bitching about this? The image that Electric_Head posted is a proper notch filter.

[RmoniK]

^ are you being dumb on purpose or?

If you're studying electronics, i'll tell you, these are NOT semantics. They're a completely different thing. But who cares really, a bell curve (what he suggested) is way better for feed my style bass anyway.

[mromgwtf]

^ are you being dumb on purpose or?

If you're studying electronics, i'll tell you, these are NOT semantics. They're a completely different thing. But who cares really, a bell curve (what he suggested) is way better for feed my style bass anyway.

I never said that these are semantics. And what's so dumb with my post?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical ... onductance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm

[Electric_Head]

^ are you being dumb on purpose or?

If you're studying electronics, i'll tell you, these are NOT semantics. They're a completely different thing. But who cares really, a bell curve (what he suggested) is way better for feed my style bass anyway.

You know what my original post was inferring.