Dubstepforum.com

SloppySeconds wrote: these new era of "producers" want everything done for them.

jungle producers didn't have vengeance sample packs and prime loops... lol

get creative

Stop acting like a bitter old man and start inspiring the newbies then. I honestly wish i'd have had a place like this to ask questions and look for pointers when I started producing and I think it's great he's even got the balls to ask this simple question in this subforum of elitist and arrogant people. He will eventually learn how to make risers and such himself if he keeps producing and due to this thread he won't have to do it all on his own. Isn't that supposed to be a good thing? My point is: if you don't want him using sample packs, give him a starting point on how to do it himself rather than just hate, that's unprofessional and it changes NOTHING.

funny that everyone is saying make your own sounds, and that sweeps from packs sound the same. Then 3 people suggest filter cutoffs on white noise/static which.. all sounds the same. The vengeance FX stuff has some decent sweeps, uplifters, impacts etc. That's about the only decent thing those vengeance packs offer imo.

shroomhead1 wrote:

SloppySeconds wrote: these new era of "producers" want everything done for them.

jungle producers didn't have vengeance sample packs and prime loops... lol

get creative

Stop acting like a bitter old man and start inspiring the newbies then. I honestly wish i'd have had a place like this to ask questions and look for pointers when I started producing and I think it's great he's even got the balls to ask this simple question in this subforum of elitist and arrogant people. He will eventually learn how to make risers and such himself if he keeps producing and due to this thread he won't have to do it all on his own. Isn't that supposed to be a good thing? My point is: if you don't want him using sample packs, give him a starting point on how to do it himself rather than just hate, that's unprofessional and it changes NOTHING.

If I'm not mistaken there is a thread in all caps reads HELP ME MAKE THIS SOUND so don't tell me we should back of because he has the balls to post on forum, maybe he should use those balls to to understand how this forum works.. Hmm?

ehbrums1 wrote:

shroomhead1 wrote:

SloppySeconds wrote: these new era of "producers" want everything done for them.

jungle producers didn't have vengeance sample packs and prime loops... lol

get creative

Stop acting like a bitter old man and start inspiring the newbies then. I honestly wish i'd have had a place like this to ask questions and look for pointers when I started producing and I think it's great he's even got the balls to ask this simple question in this subforum of elitist and arrogant people. He will eventually learn how to make risers and such himself if he keeps producing and due to this thread he won't have to do it all on his own. Isn't that supposed to be a good thing? My point is: if you don't want him using sample packs, give him a starting point on how to do it himself rather than just hate, that's unprofessional and it changes NOTHING.

If I'm not mistaken there is a thread in all caps reads HELP ME MAKE THIS SOUND so don't tell me we should back of because he has the balls to post on forum, maybe he should use those balls to to understand how this forum works.. Hmm?

even then... linking him to the thread and maybe even a facepalm image accompanying the link would be fine, but the amount of green slimy hate instead...that's not cool, doesn't matter how pointless the thread is imho.

Alistairr wrote:

Maccaveli wrote:

Alistairr wrote:man who wants their own sound??!

that argument is ridiculous its a one stop route to becoming "pigeon- holed" faster then i can count to ten,

what u want is to be able to impose ur ideas on a song whilst still creating enough variety to please a wide reaching audience...

So it's better to sound like everyone else than make unique music? Get the entire fuck out of here...

u ignorant fool. its all been done before, do u really think ur going to make something "unique" by pursing some self-defeating quest of ur own sound?? nobody gives a shit about ur talent, or what ur about- let alone what u sound like, this industry rewards hard graft and thats about it.

You sound really bitter and jaded, either that or you just feel the need to get negative on someone's ass. Look at Coki, Silkie, Jakes, Joker, hell even Skrillex, flux and co. Do you think they'd be where they are if they just used sample packs instead of making their own synths? That's half of what electronic music is about. I seriously don't know how you can argue that

Seriously learn how to make your own. I'll be honest, I only started making my own FX/risers etc last week. I used to use samples from various sample packs including vengeance only to be disappointed with the sound of them, and I realise you can adjust the sound of a sample quite a lot through use of reverb/delay/EQ/automation. BUT, making your own riser or effect is much more satisfying than just dragging and dropping a random sample into the sequencer.

A cool trick I do to make a pitch riser in FL is grab a snare or percussion sample (doesn't really matter too much which one, although each one will give a slightly different result).

1. Import the clip into Edision
2. Loop a certain area of it
3. Select all, then drag into step sequencer, draw desired midi clip (doesn't have to be long)
4. Adjust the pitch-bend ratio on the sample info to 24 or 48 (or whatever)
5. Insert midi clip into sequencer and create automation clip to increase pitch over desired time.

There are plenty of ways to make them, experimentation is key to learning.

Making your own: Sweeps aka Rises = something rises, usually to a more aggressive tone. Some options: OSC pitch, Lowpass/Bandpass filter cutoff (and res), Noise colour, LFO speed, LFO amp, etc.

How to make them in Massive (my way): Make a note with the length you want your sweeper to have, assign one or more of the parameters I told above to Macro 1, automate Macro 1 to rise from 0 to max during the note. Using macros gives you more control and allows you to change the length more easily. Play with the ranges n stuff. Try with other parameters too. I must say, sweepers are one of the easiest sounds to make and are actually fun too..

There are plenty of others ways like reversing samples with long reverbs (if the reverb was added by you, make sure you bounce it to audio)

For sample packs, Vengence Clubsounds and Vengence Effects.


Final note: there's nothing wrong with using samples.

SloppySeconds wrote:
these new era of "producers" want everything done for them.

jungle producers didn't have vengeance sample packs and prime loops... lol

get creative

Yeah, they had Jungle Warfare, Future Music, and Planet DNB

Valley of the Shadows is a couple of loops from a sample cd and a sine wave preset from a sampler.


To the guy who started this thread, my suggestion is to listen to the music of the people that tell you to be more original. Then you know if you should listen to them or not (in my experience, 99% of these people make music that sounds like everybody else's).


Original music comes from creativity, not from shunning samples.

Ya, I can't stand elitist, scenester ass-holes! You're like DSF Hipsters! LOL!
I read this forum sometimes but I rarely post just because all you get is snudy, stuck up dick-heads trying hard to be clever and be-little you. Quite annoying and childish but hey, what can one expect when one is having a conversation w/ a bunch of people hiding behind .gifs and screen-names? Everyone is a super-star producer/genius on here. God knows thats what people do when they make it in music. They sit around on forums talking shit and arguing w/ invisible people WHilst masturbating to beastiality porn. When I get famous, thats what I'll be doing! I can't wait.

Also, most producers do use samples in some capacity. Even if they're twisted and processed so much they're un-recognizable. The ENTIRE art of electronic music was pretty much built off a fucking sample. The Amen break. Every DnB producer on earth has used some variation of that sample.

Electronic music is all about innovation. If everyone thought that nothing new could be done we wouldn't even be listening to music. I'll admit, it may seem like EVERYTHING has been done but they were saying that when Elvis was big. New things will come. There are too many minds in this world for it not to happen.

To OP: There are endless methods to get the effect your after. White-noise, Low-pass, automate cut-off. You could even record your own voice making the effect, eq it and automate pitch. Good packs are Vengeance and Mutekki Media. They have entire packs filled w/ nothing but risers and sweeps. Even separated by length. Pretty much ANY synth is capable of this. Just experiment. That's 80% of the fun of making this music. Good Luck!

No one said you have to come up with a completely original sound that no one's ever done before, just that you should learn to do things yourself. That's half the fun of being an electronic producer, being able to experiment and come up with your own sounds. Why deprive yourself of that?

For the record, I sometimes use samples of I can't be bothered trying to make something myself, but I make sure I at least understand how I would do it if I didn't have the sample.

To the poster above me, that has to be some of the most juvenile shit I've ever heard. Your high horse doesn't look so high when you throw out stupid assumptions and insults and just generally sound like a 14 year old.