Basic A wrote:Attila wrote:Basic A wrote:As musicians - piracy effects you negatively.
pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance.
Id be terrified to ever share anything with you, or to instill any sort of trust in you. Piracy has HURT indie musicians who dont get signing bonuses more then any other area of the economy.
Piracy has destroyed big labels. The whole musical landscape (with few exceptions) now belongs to independent artists. And now that recording and production costs hover around zero for 99% of artists it doesn't matter that music doesn't sell anymore. When you had to pay tens of thousand to record an album selling loads of copies was important, but now that we're all working itb from home studios the whole situation is irrelevant. Any real living in music always came from touring, so anybody saying piracy's killing their career is just making a really bad excuse for not doing well. Doesn't matter whether you trust or share anything with me because you can't argue facts.
How are labels to fund these proverbial tours if they cant expect more then 99c a product, and noone pays that? You think venues and systems are free? I dont know about you, but Ive enver seen a subwoofer grow on a tree. If you read my post, youd see I covered how piracy was killing live music too.
Recording costs zero? you priced a microphone lately? you know how much FLStudio costs? Or the waves bundle you stole?
Are you trying to pretend maustripe still qualifies as indie when you say the markets dominated by indie labels? Have you turned on a radio, ever, in your life?
The love, and willingness to invest your all in the shit, is whats going out of style due to piracy and me-me-me-all-for-free mentality.
The love and hard work are irrelevant to the mentality you're referring to as without either you won't create anything relevant enough to affect even a small number of people. The mass availability of daws and plugins now just introduces people (who would other wise never have gotten involved) to music production, and in my opinion the more people creating, the better. Especially taking into account the current edm scene, you rarely see a new producer over the age of 25, and I highly doubt a large number of them would have ever been able to reach the level they're at now without cracking something at the beginning. I think the whole "you don't appreciate what you don't pay for" mentality is poorly formulated by people who resent others that got for free what we paid for, especially in regards to software. I've personally spent tens of thousands on music gear over the last 20 years-including about 95% of the software I use now-but spending that amount of money and having a wall of guitars and a few drum kits feels undeniably different than spending it on a folder of plugins.
In regards to Mau5trap, are you implying they're anywhere near the level of a label like Island/Def Jam? Last I checked they've only had around 50 releases...15 or so which aren't Joel's. So I wouldn't consider them any less indie than a label like Ipecac.
Okay beautiful, you got me, you pay 2-3 grand to get your home studio set up and then you have a lifetime of free sessions. Not too long ago that same amount of money would maybe get you a day or two in a proper studio. If anyone tries to make an argument over the costs of self producing an album these days they deserve to be laughed at and ridiculed.
And piracy will never kill live music, for the most part it only builds audiences. The music I've torrented isn't music I would've bought anyway, but you bet your ass when I come across someone awesome I'll catch them when they come through DC. These days it seems a lot of artists tell people to pirate their music regardless, and I'll tell the same to anyone who wants my stuff.
Seems like a lot of people are having trouble looking forward at the future of music instead of being bitter about what it's not anymore.
