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Perej wrote:Who are you?

I've been watching you.

Perej wrote:I don't see why I shouldn't be allowed to ask such a question.

You're allowed to ask it, and we're allowed to answer it. Consider, though, the impact of that question on the dude from Slovakia that owns this site, and makes this place available to all of us.

Perej wrote:That statement is extremely presumptuous.

Like I said, I'been watching u.

Perej wrote:Seems like a bit of a cuntish thing to say.

True, true.

Perej wrote:Please don't say wasteman either.

Sorry bro, stealing that word.

Basic A wrote:As musicians - piracy effects you negatively.

pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance.

Id be terrified to ever share anything with you, or to instill any sort of trust in you. Piracy has HURT indie musicians who dont get signing bonuses more then any other area of the economy.

Piracy has destroyed big labels. The whole musical landscape (with few exceptions) now belongs to independent artists. And now that recording and production costs hover around zero for 99% of artists it doesn't matter that music doesn't sell anymore. When you had to pay tens of thousand to record an album selling loads of copies was important, but now that we're all working itb from home studios the whole situation is irrelevant. Any real living in music always came from touring, so anybody saying piracy's killing their career is just making a really bad excuse for not doing well. Doesn't matter whether you trust or share anything with me because you can't argue facts.

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Attila wrote:

Basic A wrote:As musicians - piracy effects you negatively.

pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance.

Id be terrified to ever share anything with you, or to instill any sort of trust in you. Piracy has HURT indie musicians who dont get signing bonuses more then any other area of the economy.

Piracy has destroyed big labels. The whole musical landscape (with few exceptions) now belongs to independent artists. And now that recording and production costs hover around zero for 99% of artists it doesn't matter that music doesn't sell anymore. When you had to pay tens of thousand to record an album selling loads of copies was important, but now that we're all working itb from home studios the whole situation is irrelevant. Any real living in music always came from touring, so anybody saying piracy's killing their career is just making a really bad excuse for not doing well. Doesn't matter whether you trust or share anything with me because you can't argue facts.

You just agreed though, physical is dead.

How are labels to fund these proverbial tours if they cant expect more then 99c a product, and noone pays that? You think venues and systems are free? I dont know about you, but Ive enver seen a subwoofer grow on a tree. If you read my post, youd see I covered how piracy was killing live music too.

Recording costs zero? you priced a microphone lately? you know how much FLStudio costs? Or the waves bundle you stole?

Are you trying to pretend maustripe still qualifies as indie when you say the markets dominated by indie labels? Have you turned on a radio, ever, in your life?

This isnt something eprsonal about my own standings in life, Im quite happy with my musical career, I press dubs out of pocket via cutting houses miles away from home, just for the love, because it feels good for the soul. The amount of money I dump into my music for the love... the fact remains products dont sell and promoters are selling there cars. The love, and willingness to invest your all in the shit, is whats going out of style due to piracy and me-me-me-all-for-free mentality.

Attila wrote:It may suck for developers, but cracked software is one of the best things that's ever happened to music...actually fuck it, pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance. I still buy as much as I can, but if the choice is between downloading something or having the quality of my work suffer, the choice is pretty obvious. Even when I do eventually buy everything I'll probably revert to the cracked versions so I don't have to deal with dongles and all that bullshit...a lot of my friends have done the same.

But again, it's a horrible thing to do to developers. Don't know of any producers that started on legit software to be honest though. You'd have to be a moron to drop half a grand on one program when you're still feeling out the whole process.

Piracy hurts the music industry whether it's pirating tunes or software anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves. Products that were intended to be bought are being taken for free, theres a downside to that.. pretty simple really. Your quality of work isn't going to increase because you pirated a DAW or some plugins you THINK are what's required to make quality work. As far as the second bolded statement, welcome to life. This is why they have demos. If I want to learn how to play the drums or the guitar you either try some peoples equipment to see if it's really worth it (demo) or you start cheap and work your way up (reaper + freeware).

That being said people are still going to pirate, small labels are still going to suffer, and no amount of discussion on DSF is going to change that. People either get with it or they don't

I just wanted to add on to what Huts said. I got into music by playing recorder in elementary school. I was making my own melodies since then. My school also had xylophones so i got to play around on thoose. I literally started "producing" music for 15 dollars. In grade six I bought Sony Acid studio and I just used what came with it. I got random loops and went crazy. Sony acid studio costed me less than 100 dollars, my mom bought it for me because it was on sale. Now I have a bought version of FL studio and Massive. I started out cheap because I had a passion, and I never pirated. I just saved up until I could by a fairly cheap daw and massive. Start small and end big.

Basic A wrote:

Attila wrote:

Basic A wrote:As musicians - piracy effects you negatively.

pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance.

Id be terrified to ever share anything with you, or to instill any sort of trust in you. Piracy has HURT indie musicians who dont get signing bonuses more then any other area of the economy.

Piracy has destroyed big labels. The whole musical landscape (with few exceptions) now belongs to independent artists. And now that recording and production costs hover around zero for 99% of artists it doesn't matter that music doesn't sell anymore. When you had to pay tens of thousand to record an album selling loads of copies was important, but now that we're all working itb from home studios the whole situation is irrelevant. Any real living in music always came from touring, so anybody saying piracy's killing their career is just making a really bad excuse for not doing well. Doesn't matter whether you trust or share anything with me because you can't argue facts.

How are labels to fund these proverbial tours if they cant expect more then 99c a product, and noone pays that? You think venues and systems are free? I dont know about you, but Ive enver seen a subwoofer grow on a tree. If you read my post, youd see I covered how piracy was killing live music too.

Recording costs zero? you priced a microphone lately? you know how much FLStudio costs? Or the waves bundle you stole?

Are you trying to pretend maustripe still qualifies as indie when you say the markets dominated by indie labels? Have you turned on a radio, ever, in your life?

The love, and willingness to invest your all in the shit, is whats going out of style due to piracy and me-me-me-all-for-free mentality.

The love and hard work are irrelevant to the mentality you're referring to as without either you won't create anything relevant enough to affect even a small number of people. The mass availability of daws and plugins now just introduces people (who would other wise never have gotten involved) to music production, and in my opinion the more people creating, the better. Especially taking into account the current edm scene, you rarely see a new producer over the age of 25, and I highly doubt a large number of them would have ever been able to reach the level they're at now without cracking something at the beginning. I think the whole "you don't appreciate what you don't pay for" mentality is poorly formulated by people who resent others that got for free what we paid for, especially in regards to software. I've personally spent tens of thousands on music gear over the last 20 years-including about 95% of the software I use now-but spending that amount of money and having a wall of guitars and a few drum kits feels undeniably different than spending it on a folder of plugins.

In regards to Mau5trap, are you implying they're anywhere near the level of a label like Island/Def Jam? Last I checked they've only had around 50 releases...15 or so which aren't Joel's. So I wouldn't consider them any less indie than a label like Ipecac.

Okay beautiful, you got me, you pay 2-3 grand to get your home studio set up and then you have a lifetime of free sessions. Not too long ago that same amount of money would maybe get you a day or two in a proper studio. If anyone tries to make an argument over the costs of self producing an album these days they deserve to be laughed at and ridiculed.

And piracy will never kill live music, for the most part it only builds audiences. The music I've torrented isn't music I would've bought anyway, but you bet your ass when I come across someone awesome I'll catch them when they come through DC. These days it seems a lot of artists tell people to pirate their music regardless, and I'll tell the same to anyone who wants my stuff.

Seems like a lot of people are having trouble looking forward at the future of music instead of being bitter about what it's not anymore.

the amount of time wasted wondering if your session will open with the right plug-in settings/random acts of DAW weirdness/slowed response make cracks a really, really worthless venture.

logic is $150. you can get massive for $100, even less used. If you can't make a decent dubstep track with $250 in software, cracks aren't the problem.

I honestly don't think you can call yourself a "fan" of the music if you're pirating it. Piracy is actively going against the artist, and that's pretty much the farthest from being a fan possible.

Basic A wrote:

Attila wrote:

Basic A wrote:As musicians - piracy effects you negatively.

pirating in general has given independent musicians a chance.

Id be terrified to ever share anything with you, or to instill any sort of trust in you. Piracy has HURT indie musicians who dont get signing bonuses more then any other area of the economy.

Piracy has destroyed big labels. The whole musical landscape (with few exceptions) now belongs to independent artists. And now that recording and production costs hover around zero for 99% of artists it doesn't matter that music doesn't sell anymore. When you had to pay tens of thousand to record an album selling loads of copies was important, but now that we're all working itb from home studios the whole situation is irrelevant. Any real living in music always came from touring, so anybody saying piracy's killing their career is just making a really bad excuse for not doing well. Doesn't matter whether you trust or share anything with me because you can't argue facts.

You just agreed though, physical is dead.

How are labels to fund these proverbial tours if they cant expect more then 99c a product, and noone pays that? You think venues and systems are free? I dont know about you, but Ive enver seen a subwoofer grow on a tree. If you read my post, youd see I covered how piracy was killing live music too.

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you realise the promoter just gives the venue like a 10% deposit then pays the rest from ticket sales; speakers, PA, technician etc are normally provided by the venue. You dont have to be rich to put on an event. You just have to have good promotion and music so people come to the shows.

original argument is interesting.. the whole basic a argument is... how do I say it..

everyone knows great things came from piracy, and also ruined quite a few things, just like everything does, it splits in two ways, either way you all pirate things, still now by this day although you are so "against it", and if you say you don't.. well we just simply don't believe you

Piracy with the internet is one of the greatest things to happen to the internet, arguably also the worst one, either way, love hate relationship, you sure can't do without it. now stop being such a whineyass and act so superior while your still looking for that file with the most seeders, yes you know who you are.

Phase Down wrote:original argument is interesting.. the whole basic a argument is... how do I say it..

everyone knows great things came from piracy, and also ruined quite a few things, just like everything does, it splits in two ways, either way you all pirate things, still now by this day although you are so "against it", and if you say you don't.. well we just simply don't believe you

Piracy with the internet is one of the greatest things to happen to the internet, arguably also the worst one, either way, love hate relationship, you sure can't do without it. now stop being such a whineyass and act so superior while your still looking for that file with the most seeders, yes you know who you are.

without the pirate softhair then the friends like me would not be here

and that would be yes a good thing

there are perhaps too many on this boat

Wow, this thread is great at spreading lies!

Firstly, cracked software sounds identical to non cracked software. This is a fact, i don't know why anyone would think otherwise. All crackers do is crack the protection, nothing more. They don't rewrite the engine.

Secondly, cracked software had most definitely helped the music community. A lot of people starting out just don't want to spend thousands on stuff that they don't know if they'll use or not. I've personally downloaded almost every vst i could think of when i started out. Its way better than a 30 day trial, or a limited trial where you don't get to save or get white noise bursts in your tune, i get to actually use the plugin as much as i want, and see if i like it over the course of a few months. I couldn't give a shit what people think about this, i'm not prepared to drop hundreds on plugins just to see if they live up to expectations or not.

Since then i have uninstalled dozens of them and refined my choices to just a few plugins. Some companies have really earned my respect and deserve my business so i've bought some stuff now. I want to support the developers i like, so they can make new stuff. But if it weren't for piracy, i wouldn't have even been able to try them out for long.

I have to admit i'm still using a pirated Cubase, this is because i'm not sure that i want to stick with it as my main DAW. There are lots of limitations that have never been addressed, there's 5-10 year old posts on their forum that haven't been addressed and i don't want to have to use a performance draining dongle. So for now, the cracked version is way more attractive and i may change DAW in the future when new versions of Ableton, Studio One and Bitwig are released. Again, i'll probably get the cracked versions to give them a good trial, as 30 days is a joke. There's no way anyone can fully know a DAW in 30 days, it takes months to find out all of the tricks.

As for piracy in music, the game has definitely changed. Unfortunately for a lot of crappy producers this means they won't get any money from their work. The lesson? Step your game up if you want a career in music, make better tunes. I think a better business model now is to give some out for free just to get more attention. Then you have more chance of putting on shows. Sadly, it would seem that some people believe we're still in the early 90's and that everyone is going to start buying cd's again.

This thread is wank, haha.

like stated team AIR usually takes apart and rebuilds every plug in that they crack. as well as fixing any coding errors, removing drm that slows it down, and have even removed a Trojan-like file from a particular vst that was purportedly designed to catch pirates.

i was just involved in a reddit debate about piracy and ISP's blocking TPB etc. I got really fucking pissed how that entire community, which was started by programmers and is frequented by artists/musicians/programmers/actors/producers/otherwise publishers, yet 99.9% of them support IP theft in the name of "stopping net censorship" and "web freedoms"

it got me really fucking angry that NOBODY would agree that violating owners' rights to IP is damaging to their livelihood and rather than a policy breakdown, it is a breakdown in human morality.
We have all shared, but dumping a couple of albums or programs onto your friend's HD in person is NOT the same as sneakily manipulating technology to piece together files containing licensed IP via torrents ... it isn't sharing if you're "sharing" 3MB from this stranger's server, 45MB from that stranger's server, etc. UNTIL YOU'VE LEECHED THE ENTIRE FUCKING THING for free.

as for production software. I started out on Reason, crack, given to me by a friend who cracks shit in his free time and doesn't make music. As soon as I got interested n actually doing it, I spent all my savings on a legit studio. If you sign a deal and get paid for your tunes, and you cracked everything you made 'em with
i hope no one buys your tunes and they just download them. If "oh but the exposure is so wonderful ,the idea that people want to hear my music and share it, music is free, man" is good enough for you, fine. But it ain't gonna pay for your expenses and you're gonna have to eventually quit and move on if you want to support yourself.

if you can't afford it, or its just a small hobby, great but most people who claim its too expensive, they own an xbox, they own a car, a bike, 110's and tracksuits and all the drugs they can manage to cram into their bodies
if you actually want to do this, buy your shit


ALSO TECH SUPPORT
imma laugh when someone's warez fuck up and they can't repair their PC by themselves. You will have no support, and why should you.. if it isn't a professional operation, your livelihood is not on the line in the event of a crash.

VirtualMark wrote: I have to admit i'm still using a pirated Cubase, this is because i'm not sure that i want to stick with it as my main DAW. There are lots of limitations that have never been addressed, there's 5-10 year old posts on their forum that haven't been addressed and i don't want to have to use a performance draining dongle. So for now, the cracked version is way more attractive and i may change DAW in the future when new versions of Ableton, Studio One and Bitwig are released. Again, i'll probably get the cracked versions to give them a good trial, as 30 days is a joke. There's no way anyone can fully know a DAW in 30 days, it takes months to find out all of the tricks.

please, how long have you been around here... you're saying you still don't know if cubase is right for you?
You are lying to rationalize your idea that cracking every DAW you want is perfectly justified. In reality you will never pay for it. Hopefully you will before the time comes that you need direct support for an issue.

Also dongles don't drain performance, that's ridiculous.

Don't use a crack of anything that has a dongle. Who wants to be chained to a dongle when u do buy the software? Then again, u can always buy the software and use the crack to avoid the dongle.

Lol, chained to a dongle. Sounds bondage-y

Today wrote:please, how long have you been around here... you're saying you still don't know if cubase is right for you?
You are lying to rationalize your idea that cracking every DAW you want is perfectly justified. In reality you will never pay for it.

Did you even read my post? Please re-read it, then you'll understand why i'm not sure about sticking with cubase.

Today wrote:Hopefully you will before the time comes that you need direct support for an issue.

I've never had a computer problem that i've not been able to fix myself. Thanks for your concern tho.

Today wrote:Also dongles don't drain performance, that's ridiculous.

Look up dongle calls, then you'll understand.